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[NejinOniwa]

It's thanks to P2P downloading that a horde of eager, data-grubbing users becomes an asset rather than a liability. ^___^

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MI-MI-MI-MINORU BEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!!!!!!!!
*fires BEAM OF MANLINESS*

NOW you see where the TRUE POWAR lies. Just as stated by the fifth Pirate Oath:
Trust Thy Torrents 'Til Termination.

[nicoruizmza]

You should try a Knoppix 5.1 Live CD, is a Linux OS very easy to use, and you don't need to install it for use.

you can download fron this page: www.knoppix.org

[C-Chan]

NOW you see where the TRUE POWAR lies. Just as stated by the fifth Pirate Oath:
Trust Thy Torrents 'Til Termination.

*distances self from Nejin-san*

I repeat,.... -v-

using an OFFICIAL torrent instead.

"Official" as in legal, kosher, halal, you name it.  ^__^
Yes they do exist,... torrents aren't all mp3z, ripz and warez.  -v-

.......

*distances self some more from Nejin-san*

You should try a Knoppix 5.1 Live CD, is a Linux OS very easy to use, and you don't need to install it for use.

you can download fron this page: www.knoppix.org

Preaching to the choir, che.  Â¯v¯
In fact, Knoppix hasn't been updated in over a year,... not that it makes it any less of a great Recovery Tool and rock-solid portable system, but as far as modern desktop Linuces go, it's being outclassed by the newer stuff (Mandriva 2008 hardware detection is phenomenal).  ^__^

Kanotix, though, gives a small glimpse of what the new version of Knoppix might be like:
http://kanotix.com/changelang-eng.html

[IanDanKilmaster]

With no small amount of self-centeredness, I announce my full-on switch to Kubuntu.  As of (looks at watch, then at calendar, checks cell phone) sometime yesterday (hence my new sig sometime before that), I all but completely erased all traces of GNOME/Ubuntu from my system (aside from those programs which I thought would still be useful/really really liked), there is no GNOME session available on my login screen.  For now I have Flux, Blackbox, and of course, KDE as my possible DEs, the transition to pure Kubuntu hasn't been an easy one, but for me, it's been worth it.  I now eagerly await the December 10 release date of KDE 4 (hopefully Dapper will have a .deb package for it... and soon).  In a bold move, yesterday I trimmed all the fat from my OS.  With almost reckless abandon I went about uninstalling unnecessary programs, so that only what I consider the bowie knife and Glock pistol of my OS remained (it's all about survival now, baby!).  My menu is now much clearer than before, and it has also freed up much-beloved physical space on my hard drive.  I few more minor tweaks and I'll really be in business.  Anyway, this is in no way an attempt to convert GNOME-ers to using KDE, I've just found more that I personally like about the KDE interface.  I know Kubuntu has less forum support than Ubuntu, but I don't care, I'm in love (well, as much in love as a man could probably love something that amounts to nothing more than just a bunch of code).  Bleh, enough of that, perhaps I should move on to discussing my absolute hatred of one Steven Ballmer...

edit: Anyone here know how to set up Novell GroupWise and/or SMS in Kopete?  Also, how did we end up with two Vista threads and why the hell did I have to rant in the one that wasn't actually in the right section?

[C-Chan]

Fufufu... welcome to KDE.  ^___^
(and kudos to your equally new siggy, by the way)

I can't recall the last time I used Kubuntu, but it did set a better impression on me than Ubuntu itself (even though I did despise the fact that every tutorial and walkthrough imaginable seemed to apply only to Ubuntu.... ^.^;)

It may be true that KDE is one giant blob of code,... but since you and I were born and raised with proprietary blobs of code, we're not at fault with feeling comfortable with something we know.  ^___^

(Fluxbox, for example, freaks me out,... I know, I'm bad.... >v<)

Now then, would that be Kubuntu 6.10 or 7.10?  ^__^
Still haven't officially tried out Compiz Fusion yet, so I'm hoping you would first.  ^.^

Bleh, enough of that, perhaps I should move on to discussing my absolute hatred of one Steven Ballmer...

[sarcasm]  Show some respect, there dude!  Can't you see he's a clairvoyant?!  'v'
Maybe he can foresee earthquakes and volcanic eruptions before they happen.  `v'

edit: Anyone here know how to set up Novell GroupWise and/or SMS in Kopete?

Sorry.  ^__^
It's common knowledge around these parts that I avoid chatting like the plague.  And usually I just refer people to Pidgin instead, since they can try it out on Windows (but I know, in your case, we agreed to stick with as much "K" as possible.  ^__^).

Maybe later on when I have the chance, I can hit the Searches to dig something out for ya.  ^.^

Also, how did we end up with two Vista threads

Same way we ended up with 1,205,296 Vistan designs.  ^.^'

and why the hell did I have to rant in the one that wasn't actually in the right section?

*pats IDK*

There there,.... the worst is over.  ^___^

[Farmer Hoggett impersonation]  That'll do, BearMan...........  That'll do.  -v-

[IanDanKilmaster]

Yeah, the reason for the change was two-fold, chiefly because I checked the rules for sigs and realized mine was three times the target size (because it was png and I didn't even think about it).  Secondly, when I was working on turning my old sig into a .gif, I realized now was the perfect opportunity to develop an icon/logo for my conceptual OS, Ktulubuntu (perfect since Cthulhu and Ktulu are both accepted spellings).

Configuring Fluxbox was no more difficult for me than configuring Enlightenment... which I actually didn't get around to because it was so hard.  Flux is good because it's a load off my resources, things really were much smoother.  Anyway, the point is, don't be afraid, try out Fluxbuntu when you get a chance, from what I've seen it's actually configured better than what I've done on my computer (I guess I'll have to show you a screenshot of my Flux desktop in the Desktop thread, right?).

You know I'm LTS-only Piggy-senpai, Dapper 6.06 it'll stay until next year, when they release the newest LTS.

I actually LOL'ed at the Steve Ballmer comment.  Yeah, he can clairvoyance his way straight into hell, [sarcasm] 'cos everyone knows fortune-tellers go to hell [/sarcasm].

No chatting?  That's disappointing... anyway, Gaim is pretty awesome, but it can't connect to Novell and it also hasn't been updated to Pidgin on Dapper yet.  Speaking of cross-platform FOSS, I had the opportunity to spread the FOSSpel for GIMP in MakeUp lab, our teacher sent us a link to a video of a guy using GIMP to demonstrate how you can change someone's sexual appearance by editing certain distinct characteristics.  Anyway, my teacher couldn't remember the name of the app in class, so I mentioned it and so she wanted to know if I could help one my classmates install it (I offered my help whenever for whenever it would be needed, haven't heard anything yet).

I LOL'ed at the rest of this post too.

[C-Chan]

Fufu... bad IDK-san, trying to hide this response from me.  ^__^'
Course, doesn't look like anything I have to reply to, so yeah I'll leave it at that.  ^v^

So how's Kubuntu-san treating ya?  ^___^

I have tons of new stuff to cover, but for now I'm posting an interesting blog post that deals with one of the many benefits of FOSS:

http://www.seopher.com/articles/does_open_source_and_free_software_reduce_your_pirating_61_say_yes

Especially in light of a few... "bootlegging" solutions mentioned around here as of late, this definitely puts things into perspective.  ^___^

I for one have never looked back at that kind of life,... ¬.¬

Added after 1 hours:

And speaking of piracy,....

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1655

Wow, talk about a major U-Turn.  ^___^'

Anti-Dumping laws aside, it does sound like they were never very serious about enforcing anti-piracy measures, if now they're willing to subsidize it.

[NejinOniwa]

And the bastards treating XP like it's nothing but an undesirable stock of cows to be shoved away and sold off at lower-than-manufacturing-price is DISGUSTING.

[Bella]

And the bastards treating XP like it's nothing but an undesirable stock of cows to be shoved away and sold off at lower-than-manufacturing-price is DISGUSTING.

True that Brother!

[C-Chan]

Great, now I can't get this image out of my mind.  ^____^;



In any event, although you guys read about Russia and are probably well aware of the China deal, the little underhandedness of the Nigerian deal is still fairly new.  Latest word is that M$ may not get what it wants, but still they're on the watch list:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,139480-c,windows/article.html

[IanDanKilmaster]

Fufu... bad IDK-san, trying to hide this response from me. ^__^'
Course, doesn't look like anything I have to reply to, so yeah I'll leave it at that. ^v^

Hiding?  Who's hiding, you just lost track of the thread, that's all :p.  Anyway, it's good to see this thread seeing some action again... I couldn't think of anything to start it up.

So how's Kubuntu-san treating ya? ^___^

Well, I still have the occasional performance problem running Fx.  I've learned that cutting down on the amount of virtual desktops does wonders for performance (I've gone from four to two, since I really don't make use of it all that much anyway).  Wine is pissing me off because I can't find anything like Winedoors that doesn't involve some sort of GNOME software - it'd be nice if there were a guide to getting Wine to work smoothly in Kubuntu.  I also spent the better part of last week re-ripping my CD collection to the computer and getting Amarok to use SQLite to manage it all (which is surprisingly easy).  The best part of this is, I just recently added the Deluxe Edition of the Dethalbum to my collection and it's made up most of listening for the past couple of weeks... I've been so happy.  Of course the happiness stopped when we started watching Elfen Lied during our anime night for anime club, wow, I had no idea a show could be so depressing and morbid (look I know alot of people have probably seen it and disagree with me, but seriously, I've played Deception III, which was really f***ed up and it wasn't nearly as depressing as Elfen Lied).  To get back to the subject, I would summarize my experience with Kubuntu so far as being good, aside from those couple of speed bumps mentioned earlier.  What I really want is to be able to boost my performance without losing the stuff that I like on here.

Especially in light of a few... "bootlegging" solutions mentioned around here as of late, this definitely puts things into perspective. ^___^

I for one have never looked back at that kind of life,... ¬.¬

Pirated software, nah.  I only tried it once or twice when using Windows anyway, I mostly spent time trying to find free alternatives that weren't spyware (quite a big problem really, the software starts out legit but after an update, BAM, you're crawling with bugs), I'd say the best free software I  found while using Windows was probably Media Coder - an excellent media conversion tool.  Besides, when it comes to pirated software, you really have a hard time finding something that hasn't been somehow tampered with to f*** you over.

And speaking of piracy,....

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1655

Wow, talk about a major U-Turn. ^___^'

While this is no doubt going to be viewed mostly as an act of goodwill from Mr. Gates, there's obviously an ulterior motive at work here.  As mentioned in the article, I wouldn't be surprised if this a way for M$ to try and usurp open-source in those countries, but hey they are getting newer computers (I don't trust that they'll actually be new or even close), so at least they're getting more than just having an OS shoved on their computers.  This is really getting me interested in checking out the computers at my hometown's library, last I checked, they were pretty outdated (they were running XP, but the hardware was even older than my computer... which is pretty damn old).

[C-Chan]

Well, I still have the occasional performance problem running Fx. I've learned that cutting down on the amount of virtual desktops does wonders for performance (I've gone from four to two, since I really don't make use of it all that much anyway). Wine is pissing me off because I can't find anything like Winedoors that doesn't involve some sort of GNOME software - it'd be nice if there were a guide to getting Wine to work smoothly in Kubuntu. I also spent the better part of last week re-ripping my CD collection to the computer and getting Amarok to use SQLite to manage it all (which is surprisingly easy). The best part of this is, I just recently added the Deluxe Edition of the Dethalbum to my collection and it's made up most of listening for the past couple of weeks... I've been so happy.

Fufu... sounds to me like my own Kubuntu years.  Odd problems here and there, but still loving it.  ^___^
I still can't get used to modern music management (give me my playlists any day!), but at least I've grown quite comfortable with OGG vorbis encoding.  -v-

Of course the happiness stopped when we started watching Elfen Lied during our anime night for anime club, wow, I had no idea a show could be so depressing and morbid (look I know alot of people have probably seen it and disagree with me, but seriously, I've played Deception III, which was really f***ed up and it wasn't nearly as depressing as Elfen Lied).

I know it was morbid, but funny how I didn't find it depressing.  Probably because I was interpreting the movie as a string of sociological metaphors,... in other words, as a macabre art.

On the other hand, movies like Grave of the Fireflies, The Day After, and Testament depress me.

To get back to the subject, I would summarize my experience with Kubuntu so far as being good, aside from those couple of speed bumps mentioned earlier. What I really want is to be able to boost my performance without losing the stuff that I like on here.

Well,........ I knew this day might come.....

*sniffs*

It won't be long before IDK-san recompiles his very first kernel..... ^.^

*sniffles*

....

...Oh wait, did you do that already? ^^;

Bear in mind, though, that the Ubuntu's are generally considered sluggish.  The reason why I switched back to Xubuntu from Kubuntu is because the system did not feel as fast and responsive as I thought it should in a 64-bit, dual-core processor with 1GB of RAM.

I'd say the best free software I found while using Windows was probably Media Coder - an excellent media conversion tool.

For me it's always Irfanview. I really wish it were open sourced, although I doubt that it will happen anytime soon.

While this is no doubt going to be viewed mostly as an act of goodwill from Mr. Gates, there's obviously an ulterior motive at work here. As mentioned in the article, I wouldn't be surprised if this a way for M$ to try and usurp open-source in those countries, but hey they are getting newer computers (I don't trust that they'll actually be new or even close), so at least they're getting more than just having an OS shoved on their computers. This is really getting me interested in checking out the computers at my hometown's library, last I checked, they were pretty outdated (they were running XP, but the hardware was even older than my computer... which is pretty damn old).

Well,... one of the biggest clues of ulterior motives is that they're specifically targeting developing countries that are already under way in adopting a Linux strategy (China = Red Flag, Russia = Alt Linux, Nigeria = Mandriva).  You'd think they'd be preemptively dumping $3 XP's and cheap PCs all throughout the third world, but despite all their talk about it they're not actually doing anything.  So I reckon that any government that wants cash FAST need only threaten to sponsor Linux usage, and VOILA!  Bill Gates opens his purse!!

*ponders*

................Hmmm,....
Actually, that doesn't sound like a bad idea.  -v-

*starts looking for a Pacific Island to buy*

It might be a little tough convincing the librarians to switch OSes.  Wish I were there with you, though, since the Asus 3ePC is BOUND to woo them over into trying out a Linux distro.  ^___^

[Gummster]

I don't know I should post this here or not, but since I'm too lazy to create a new thread I'll post it here anyways.

I have this problem with my panel, the window list and desktop switcher won't load, with this message showing: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_WindowListApplet". And then the same message except that WorkspaceSwitcherApplet shows.

I have no idea what's happening how it happened or how to fix it, but it is quite annoying.

[C-Chan]

WOW!!!!!  Gummuntu's visiting the Linux thread!!  This calls for a celebration!!!  ^v^

*gives Gummster a sarangi*



Yeah definitely, I would recommend posting Linux problems here, as this technically isn't a Linux forum and it'd be a bit weird to create new threads for specific problems.  ^^;

In any event, wish I could have a full mastery of the problem myself, but I haven't used Gnome in a loooooong time (KDE pig right here... ^.^).  But in typical C-chan style, I'll do my best to slug you through a solution.

While researching the problem through the proverbial SWARM of Ubuntu forum posts, I came across this little thing here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-161084.html

I solved it! And it wasn't anything to do with preferences or gconf.

Apparently, that "OAFIID" error message is a very misleading generic message that actually means: "something went wrong with the applet program and Gnome doesn't know what".

To fix it, you need to run the applet program from console (ie. /usr/lib/gnome-panel/clock-applet) and see if any error appears. If it returns to the prompt without any message, it's ok. In some cases I've seen on the Web the problem had to do with missing libraries; in others it was a bug in the program itself.

In MY case, the applet programs were simply missing. Yes, missing, I didn't have the gnome-applets package installed. All the applets that failed for me were supposed to be in /usr/lib/gnome-applets/, and they weren't.

I consider the main culprit here the fact that even when they're missing they still appear in the "add to panel" list, so you don't even know they're not really there and you go on a wild goose chase.

Whew. Thanks folks. I thought I was in for a long and painful night.

I did the following and rebooted:

sudo apt-get --reinstall install gnome-panel gnome-applets

It's all back to normal now.

Experience shows that this isn't always the end of the story, but no worries,....  if something doesn't work, we'll just try something else.  ^.^

[Bella]

This may be a bit OT, but do y'all think gOS (aka cheap Walmart computer OS)

http://www.thinkgos.com/

would be recommended for someone who knows next to nothing about computers and just wants to do web browsing and stuff? Cause I may know a few people who could really use this!

Coming off of Windows (like, 98 or ME), do you think such a transition would be well-advised?