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Started by s8man, January 26, 2007, 06:11:52 AM

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C-Chan

Fufu... sounds like a Zune thing, cause all my USB 2.0 devices run at full transfer speeds, including a Sandisk flash drive stripped of its hideous U3, an Insignia music player and a Seagate External USB HD.  ^.^

However, I do recall that a Kingston USB drive I bought and returned refused to operate at its full speed, but then it also had other problems (cheap thing that it was...).  


It did however make me wonder if that high speed function is dependent on the manufacturer settings -- in which case, I wouldn't discount the possibility that the Zune won't transfer to its maximum potential if you use a competitor (Mac, Linux or BSD).

Now that I just mentioned it, how 'bout installing VirtualBox on Ubuntu, installing XP inside a Virtual Machine, and give it access to your USB controller?  That way, you can test and see if the virtual XP can access your Zune at the transfer speed, thus eliminating the need to reboot.  ^__^

Here's a walkthrough on how to do it more-or-less, bearing in mind that's its talking about a Console setup when you can probably just download and install it direct from the Repositories:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Windows-and-VirtualBox-equals-Power-in-Your-Hands-48173.shtml

I usually do this myself whenever I want to use Poser or (now on the rare occasion) Photoshop/ImageReady.  I only boot up Windows whenever I want to play the latest 3D games, but only because VirtualBox doesn't support 3D acceleration yet AND I don't have the time to mess with Wine.  ^___^

Course....... if I don't have the time to mess with Wine, I also don't have the time to play PC games either, so that's kind of a moot point.  ^^;

kman89zero

thanks for the info C-Chan, but i can't use it though because I only have 512MB of RAM and it require at least a gig. Also there is a method of transfer with vmware that only transfers at usb1.1 but they are working on correcting this problem so it should run at 2.0 in the next few months. Then I will most likely reformat my HDD and install Gutsy Gibbon with vmware.

Bella

Hey. I have a fairly simple problem with a fairly simple solution...

When I (try) to boot Ubuntu in Virtualbox, it says:

"Your CPU doesn't support long mode. Use a 32-bit distro."

I'd try booting SAM or Puppy, but their ISO images mysteriously disappeared (I could have sworn I saved them to my external HD before I got rid of them on DY (the comp I downloaded them on) but I didn't!)

On the Ubuntu site, I clicked "AMD 64" instead of the suggested x86/etc. for architecture. Should I have gone with the x86 one?

dammit to hell, it took like an hour and a half to download....

But from what I saw, Virtualbox looked AWESOME!!! The bootscreen looked so cute in the little window ^_^

Added after a bit:

Oh yeah, and Windows isn't able to read the CD-RW...But I did see the Ubuntu bootscreen...so now I'm not sure if it's the CD-RW, ISO burner (cause I used Roxio instead of that other one C-Chan posted a link to a while back...another missing file...), or the fact I clicked AMD 64 instead of x86....

C-Chan

[in a hurry]  Whoops, almost forgot you had an AMD64 too, so should've warned you that VirtualBox only emulates 32-bit architectures at this time (VMWare, on the other hand, could've used that Ubuntu CD, but well,... you know.... NOT free.... ^^')

I'll be back to check out the rest!  ^___^

Bella

*sighs* No worries, I'll just download the x86 version....later XD

(remember my catchphrase...if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have none at all)

C-Chan

Quote*sighs* No worries, I'll just download the x86 version....later XD

(remember my catchphrase...if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have none at all)

Nah, I believe it's purely intentional.  You loooooooooooooove to suffer, admit it.  If you're not the pinnacle of all misfortune, you just wouldn't feel the same.  ^__^

Bear in mind, of course, that if need be you can always just download the Puppy ISO (which is smaller) so you can at least go ahead and test something.  ^.^
Or better yet,....

Have it share K8's CD-ROM and stick in your SAM Linux CD.  ^___^
It won't be as fast, but if all you're looking is to install it in the VM, then why not?  ^^

In any event, gimme one sec.... -v-

*starts reading the stuff on top*

Added after 11 minutes:

Quotethanks for the info C-Chan, but i can't use it though because I only have 512MB of RAM and it require at least a gig. Also there is a method of transfer with vmware that only transfers at usb1.1 but they are working on correcting this problem so it should run at 2.0 in the next few months. Then I will most likely reformat my HDD and install Gutsy Gibbon with vmware.

The C-chan is saddened.  ;__;
Normally 512megs is enough, but indeed vanilla XP is a memory hog and will demand more.  Technically-speaking, you could use your Swap to compensate, but it's generally not recommended.  ^^
The last thing you want to do is to be using your XP VirtualBox (or I think you're more interested in VMWare), and have it close down unexpectedly due to a memory leak.  ^___^'

Speaking of VMWare, that's what I used on my Xubuntu for a while (and QEMU before then).  It was good with lots of architecture support, but there were some performance issues with Windows that were non-existent in VirtualBox.  Course, the best virtualized XP I've seen to date is still with Parallels for Mac, only because it offers flawless shared drive capability and at least some functional 3D acceleration.  ^___^

QuoteHey. I have a fairly simple problem with a fairly simple solution...

When I (try) to boot Ubuntu in Virtualbox, it says:

"Your CPU doesn't support long mode. Use a 32-bit distro."

Yep, that definitely brings back memories of when I first used VirtualBox.  ^___^

Course, I also had about a dozen ISOs on file, so I got a working 32-bit one almost immediately (I think it was Elive 1.0).  ^___^

You could probably use QEMU to load that 64-bit Ubuntu as well, but if memory serves I think QEMU 64-bit architecture support is still experimental.  Up until now, I still can't see what good it is (for us common users) to have 64-bit machines, if all they've brought me have been annoyances.  ^^;
(both in Windows and Linux)

QuoteI'd try booting SAM or Puppy, but their ISO images mysteriously disappeared (I could have sworn I saved them to my external HD before I got rid of them on DY (the comp I downloaded them on) but I didn't!)

Remember, you can also use the CD as well.  Just enable the CDROM drive letter rather than the ISO option.

QuoteBut from what I saw, Virtualbox looked AWESOME!!! The bootscreen looked so cute in the little window

Isn't it?  Like a miniature computer.  ^.^
That's why I say it's a perfect educational tool, since you can practice stuff like disk partitioning on it.  ^v^

QuoteOh yeah, and Windows isn't able to read the CD-RW...But I did see the Ubuntu bootscreen...so now I'm not sure if it's the CD-RW, ISO burner (cause I used Roxio instead of that other one C-Chan posted a link to a while back...another missing file...), or the fact I clicked AMD 64 instead of x86....

I'm actually not sure what you're saying here.  ^^;
But in any event, I'll leave the rest to you.  ^___^;

Added after 16 minutes:

BTW:  this strikes as a shameless plug, but I replied to your art post earlier today.  ^____^
(you know, the one where I performed a thermonuclear swoon job?)

You may not have noticed cause it just amended itself to yesterday's post.  ^^;

Bella

I booted into Puppy. I saw GimpyDog on bootup:



And while it booted quite well, it was FAR different than when on the Compaq :/ Once booted, the desktop seemed radically different, too...many things were missing and the icon set was much...simpler...

I'd boot into SAM, but upon looking at the files on XP, I saw they too were different from last time...there were things about bootloaders and stuff....besides which, I don't have the ISO file...

I hate to be a pain, and I think I can handle most of this. Just one last question...do they make Ubuntu 7.04 for 32-bit processor...in the Wiki, I did see something about "Feisty Fawn being 32-bit compatible"

Basically, should I click this for 32-bit?



Just want to be sure before I download anything that takes so long...

Added after 1 minutes:

QuoteBTW: this strikes as a shameless plug, but I replied to your art post earlier today. ^____^
(you know, the one where I performed a thermonuclear swoon job?)

You may not have noticed cause it just amended itself to yesterday's post. ^^;

Yeah. I'll reply, but now I'm all typed out XD

C-Chan

QuoteI booted into Puppy. I saw GimpyDog on bootup:

And while it booted quite well, it was FAR different than when on the Compaq  Once booted, the desktop seemed radically different, too...many things were missing and the icon set was much...simpler...

Well that sounds odd, but at least you got in.  ^___^

*pops champagne*

Congratulations, you just survived your very first VM!  ^v^

I should note that if you downloaded the very latest version of Puppy-chan, the author did a bit of a facelift to it, so that could explain why the icons look different.  Not sure about that weird (couldn't find kernel image thingie)  ^^'
I should note that, perhaps like my Gateway, the Compaq may not have had the power to render many of the cool effects that most Linux distros boot up with (in this case, GimpPuppy -- in my case with Elive, SAM and co. on my old Gateway, the XP-style progress bar).  ^__^'

QuoteI'd boot into SAM, but upon looking at the files on XP, I saw they too were different from last time...there were things about bootloaders and stuff....besides which, I don't have the ISO file...

Maybe a screenshot would help for this one -- again, you really don't need the ISO if you don't have it (or conversely, you could theoretically use Roxio to create a new ISO).

QuoteI hate to be a pain, and I think I can handle most of this. Just one last question...do they make Ubuntu 7.04 for 32-bit processor...in the Wiki, I did see something about "Feisty Fawn being 32-bit compatible"

Basically, should I click this for 32-bit?

Course.  ^.^
In fact, you do have to realize that 32-bit is the NORM, and you and I are the unfortunate exceptions.  ^____________^

When dealing with Virtualbox, remember: x86, i386 and i586 are all your friends.  ^.^

AMD64, x86_64, and all the other architectures you've never heard of are just there to make you miserable.  ^.^'

Bella

QuoteCongratulations, you just survived your very first VM! ^v^

I should note that if you downloaded the very latest version of Puppy-chan, the author did a bit of a facelift to it, so that could explain why the icons look different. Not sure about that weird (couldn't find kernel image thingie) ^^'
I should note that, perhaps like my Gateway, the Compaq may not have had the power to render many of the cool effects that most Linux distros boot up with (in this case, GimpPuppy -- in my case with Elive, SAM and co. on my old Gateway, the XP-style progress bar). ^__^

Actually, something I just realized, this is Barebones Puppy! Way back when I downloaded Barebones, but, then, thinking it lacked a GUI, decided to go with the full version.

I'm having trouble getting x86 Ubuntu to run on virtualbox. It'll get to the primary selection screen, then it'll go blank O__o

I should note that the boot order on Virtualbox is floppy/CDR/HD. Does that even matter?

This however came up on XP:



But in good news, 32-bit distro or not, I managed to boot into it from startup (and it ran flawlessly!) :D So we now know it's not the disk or anything!

As for SAM, here's a few pix:





QuoteAMD64, x86_64, and all the other architectures you've never heard of are just there to make you miserable. ^.^'

;070   Ahem...I'm running what would be considered a deadly-to-using-Linux combo of AMD64 CPU w/ an ATI graphics card, and I haven't had one problem to date, even with the x86 Ubuntu!

(maybe K8's the rare exception to the rule, or otherwise my computer luck isn't as bad as it could be....XD)

Added after I came to my senses:

Ahhh, my luck has had a sudden turnaround :D

I dug a bit deeper into the external HD and found, I had in fact stored all my ISO files on there. So I saved the ISO, re-burned SAM, and started 'er up!

I only had time to get to the login screen before I got sidetracked, but from what I saw, the bootup was actually quicker than on a non-virtual machine ;)

NejinOniwa

Hm, maybe I should roll my ol' rusty onto these roads as well. What does it take from a PC to emulate an OS? I mean, need i fear for lack of resources?
YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS

C-Chan

QuoteHm, maybe I should roll my ol' rusty onto these roads as well. What does it take from a PC to emulate an OS? I mean, need i fear for lack of resources?

Yo Nejin-san. ^^

That depends on the 'puter you're trying to emulate.  ^^
You want to put Puppy-chan on a virtual PC, no more than 128MBs should do.  ^__^

But if you want to run XP, Vista or Tiger-sama,  you better have at least a gig of RAM handy.  ^___^;

I'd give it a shot!  ^.^
Worse thing that can happen is that VirtualBox (or VMWare, Parallels or QEMU if you prefer them) will just crash.  ^_____^

QuoteActually, something I just realized, this is Barebones Puppy! Way back when I downloaded Barebones, but, then, thinking it lacked a GUI, decided to go with the full version.

Aha!  Thought so!  ^___^
Well,..... there you go then.  At least you know THAT works.  ^.^

QuoteI'm having trouble getting x86 Ubuntu to run on virtualbox. It'll get to the primary selection screen, then it'll go blank O__o

Hmmm... sounds strange, especially considering I did get Ubuntu running on one of my work XPs.  '__'

On the other hand, I do remember at least two distros that experience similar "disappearances" after the boot screen.  Not sure if it's because of lack of RAM or something not configured properly or just a problem with the distro's bootloader, but never investigated them since they were for obscure distros I didn't care much about.  ^__^;

In any event, if it doesn't work, we'll leave it for later.

QuoteI should note that the boot order on Virtualbox is floppy/CDR/HD. Does that even matter?

Not really.  ^.^'

QuoteThis however came up on XP:

Ah yes, that's the autorun program that canonical added to Ubuntu in case you ever inserted the CD into a Windows environment.  Some distros have those, knowing that there are a lot of Windows users.  ^___^

(Since SAM has no such thing, that's why you get just the empty CD directory that you showed me in those pics.)

But wait a sec,... thought you were working with just the pure ISOs, so what's with the autorun screens?  ^____^'

QuoteBut in good news, 32-bit distro or not, I managed to boot into it from startup (and it ran flawlessly!)  So we now know it's not the disk or anything!

Oh I see, you chose to burn the ISO onto a CD after all.  Well, I guess it doesn't hurt,... and, as you can see it worked.  ^__^
I guess the problem with my Acer is that infernal graphics card more than not.  ^^;

QuoteAhem...I'm running what would be considered a deadly-to-using-Linux combo of AMD64 CPU w/ an ATI graphics card, and I haven't had one problem to date, even with the x86 Ubuntu!

(maybe K8's the rare exception to the rule, or otherwise my computer luck isn't as bad as it could be....XD)

Apparently I agree that you fail as the official universal pinnacle of misfortune. I hate to break it to you, since I know you love to suffer.  ^___^

That does it, I'm gonna try getting a new graphics card,... not fair that everything and it's dog can run Beryl flawlessly (including my old Geforce2 GTS,... which technically-speaking is OLDER than the lowest recommended graphics card for Beryl), but I have to suffer.  ^^;

Oh, how I wish I had my Asus EEE PC right now.... ;^-^;

QuoteAhhh, my luck has had a sudden turnaround

I dug a bit deeper into the external HD and found, I had in fact stored all my ISO files on there. So I saved the ISO, re-burned SAM, and started 'er up!

I only had time to get to the login screen before I got sidetracked, but from what I saw, the bootup was actually quicker than on a non-virtual machine

You're talking about VirtualBox, right?  ^__^
Again, I said to use a CD in case you couldn't find the ISO.  But if you have the ISO, just load the ISO into VirtualBox and it should work even faster than how you saw it boot.  ^.^

Bella

QuoteAha! Thought so! ^___^
Well,..... there you go then. At least you know THAT works. ^.^

It was an odd moment, I was about half way to sleeping when I practically said, "AHA! Barebones Puppy!"

Next morning I checked, and saw I was right.

You know, I didn't even know the thing had a GUI....I thought it was CLI...

QuoteBut wait a sec,... thought you were working with just the pure ISOs, so what's with the autorun screens? ^____^'

If you don't know, I don't XD

QuoteYou're talking about VirtualBox, right? ^__^
Again, I said to use a CD in case you couldn't find the ISO. But if you have the ISO, just load the ISO into VirtualBox and it should work even faster than how you saw it boot. ^.^

Yeah, the ISO was loaded up along with the CDR...that would explain the speed.

Just one question, how to I change the fullscreen/windowed control key? Cause it's set on right ctrl, and being on a laptop...well, I've got no right ctrl....so I've been doing ungraceful alt/ctrl/del exits from the VM...

C-Chan

QuoteYeah, the ISO was loaded up along with the CDR...that would explain the speed.

Awesome Power!  ^__^
Okay then, now that we've managed to get LiveCDs working in your VM, the next logical step is to install the distro into the VM.  Course, I'm sure you already took care of that.  ^____^'

QuoteJust one question, how to I change the fullscreen/windowed control key? Cause it's set on right ctrl, and being on a laptop...well, I've got no right ctrl....so I've been doing ungraceful alt/ctrl/del exits from the VM...

*mysterious pot falls from sky and hits C-chan*

Owww, that's gotta hurt.  ^^;

But never fear, cause C-chan's here!  ^v^

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With a screencap.... ^.^



Just go to file preferences, and change the hotkey you need.  Left CTRL is pretty common, so I'd recommend you use the Tilda button (~) if you have one.  Also, to switch out of fullscreen mode, I think it's Hotkey+F,... it usually says so in the popup right before switching to fullscreen mode.  ^.^

Bella

Quote
*mysterious pot falls from sky and hits C-chan*

Owww, that's gotta hurt. ^^;

But never fear, cause C-chan's here! ^v^

Thanks! I changed it to right shift (since I never use it...XD)

It's funny I don't have a right ctrl...even though K8's a laptop, she has two start menu keys...unlike our HP...

And I will have to install SAM into the VM! Been a bit busy lately though...

C-Chan

No prob, no prob.  ^___^
Since you were nice enough to create such a gorgeous vector sketch of UNIX-sama, I shall honor and worship anything you want to do, at any time of you're doing.  ^.^

(sorry about the supernova, though  ^.^; )

BTW, here's a page that should fill your Windows with more goodness, and,... dare I say it,.... "Win":    ^_________^

http://osswin.sourceforge.net/