Project WIKI

[Tsubashi]

hmmm,... from your description, I'm wondering if perhaps you're thinking of the old Mac System releases

No, it just that I, and those I have talked to, only ran Windows 1.0 and 2.0 on B&W hardware. Come to think of it, we didn't upgrade until 3.1... -v-

The fix was in fact Windows 3.0. It was first released in 1990, shortly after M$ divorced itself from IBM. Naturally, once the upgrade to 3.1 came a few years later, the usability and popularity surged further, making M$ decision to go it alone pay off.

Strange! I could have sworn 3.0 was the proposed switch off! Then again I'm pulling most of this from an IPF specialist I know, so I wouldn't be surprised it he was a little fuzzy on the planned windows releases. ^^;

Windows 95 wouldn't actually come into play until 1995, when it (combined with NT for the Workstation market) outsold the new OS/2 Warp and effectively blew it out of the competition

Yeah you're right. I should have said the development of 95 was a stab in the back.

(not without some help from those IBM bastards and their brain-dead commercials).

Gah! Don't remind me of those! Now I have an extreme urge to go sword-sniper the people who made those! Grrr!
*Cleans room to vent frustration*
Though this japanese one made me laugh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Vtd1VRQx0&NR

Fwuiked? O_o

Yeah, sorry. Drumline terminology I picked up forever ago ^^'

On a side note, where did you learn all of that?

[C-Chan]

Gah! Don't remind me of those! Now I have an extreme urge to go sword-sniper the people who made those! Grrr!
*Cleans room to vent frustration*
Though this japanese one made me laugh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Vtd1VRQx0&NR

WOW!  That actually is a pretty C-U-T-E commercial.... @___@
(Damn you American commercials for having nothing but geeks on them... >_<)

The Penguin is a nice foreshadow of things to come.  ^__^

BTW, I wonder if she would count as a very very very very remote ancestor of the OS-tans.  (Doubt it, but it's an interesting thought, in lieu of the fact that Merlin-chan could sort of count as an ancestrial OS/2-tan as well) ^^;

On a side note, where did you learn all of that?

You mean the Windows stuff?  ^___^
Well of course I try to read up on the OSes before I start drawing them.  ^v^

Less then a year ago I had no clue that Radio Shack/Tandy made their own computers, and now I can even tell you how many CoCo models exist.  -v-'

Doesn't hold a candle to a regular user of any of the systems, but eh,... at least's its contemporary.  -.-

First stop is the actual Wikipedia (with so many Windows fans, those articles are fairly jam-packed).  ^__^
Then OSdata.com, GUIdebook.com, the actual Windows History page at Microsoft.com, and little pages here and there.  Especially when constructing the Annex, I made it a point to find at least one information article about all the OS-tans featured, right down to SkyOS.  -v-

Probably even invested a little more time than usual reading about early Windows, due to the micro-OVA project, plus my hope of fleshing out OS/2-tan's character).  -v-

Initially, I learned about Mac Systems 1 through 4 from Aurora, but came across the same information again when seeing the history page.  I'm still a little patchy on the GEM OS issue, but may clear that up a bit when I draw my own rendition of GEM-tan.  -v-

Speaking of which, I can probably edit the Wiki some more now that I'm done witht the collaborative comic.  But it's only a short break, as it's back to drawing within the next 24 hours.  ^____^

(gotta get ready for the wallpapers! ^v^)

[C-Chan]

Thanks to everyone for the recent updates.  ^___^

You've motivated me to go in and expand the List of OS-tans exponentially.  My goal is to to have the list include all OS-tans drawn or discovered to date, not hypothetical ones (like the vast majority of those found in my Annex listing).

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/List_of_OS-tans

For that reason, I'll need to revise the paragraph in the beginning of the article to clarify this.

[Tsubashi]

Good Idea C-Chan-Senpai! Now we just need to turn all the red links blue! ^^;

Oh, and by the way, from what I've heard, "Windows Vienna" may actually be called "Windows 7" (I suppose it's following the NT numbering...) along with M$ Office 14 (it's number 13, but I guess that'd be unlucky )
Aside from the Blackcomb drawing, are there other renditions of Vienna? I can't find any, but I'm not very good a searching ^^'

[C-Chan]

Nope, that's the only one that I know of myself.  ^^'

We're counting on our great army of forum members to search one out for us from the depths of the Internet, and return their findings here.  -v-

*chortle chortle snicker snicker*

But as long as we have them all listed, that should give the casual visitor an idea of what's been done to date.  ^___^
(plus I'll have the incentive to write a little more about my girls... ^.^)

Sorry if that detracted a little from a certain,... 'side project' I promised you, but I've already scheduled work on that ASAP.  ^^

[Tsubashi]

But as long as we have them all listed, that should give the casual visitor an idea of what's been done to date. ^___^

That's true, it also sorta help guide our research and give us goals to work towards ^^

Sorry if that detracted a little from a certain,... 'side project' I promised you, but I've already scheduled work on that ASAP. ^^

Good, good. But do remember that at this point you are *Checks watch* 2 Months ahead of the original schedule ^__^

[NewYinzer]

Yo. If you haven't checked recently, I've been trying to "firm up" some of our legacy articles. I'm trying to create a small niche for myself in the Wiki as the person who knows quite a lot about the original OS-Tans. Though, as I have stated 100+ times, school puts a massive strain on my ability to contribute. Once I get some time on my hands, I'll get back to updating our articles. Bonam diem tibi exopto!

[C-Chan]

Yeah, I saw your handiwork beefing up the 2K-tan article.  A little bit obsessed with the boob-thing at thing (though that's quite normal as far as the Windows-tans go), but overall it was a fantastic addition.  ^___^

Excellent then -- NewYinzer has most of that covered then.  ^.^

Guess I'll just help then in clamping down on all that red.  ^___^

[C-Chan]

Okay, sorry about the slackness.  ^^'
Let's say we get this show back on the road!  ^v^'

Going forward, I'm thinking of announcing updates here to the Wiki, similar to how Pitkin-dono updates the Picture Gallery, and Fedora the Downloads section.  -v-

Of course, user-contributed announcements are also welcomed.  ^^

Now then (using 3/14 as the starting date)..... ^.^

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- Newyinzer cleaned up the 95 article (didn't know you added that Rolling Stone thing... T___T'), and established the Mac System 1 and ZX Spectrum articles.  I might have to update a few things on Spectrum-tan that I've thought of since, but thanks for laying down the essential foundation of the article!  ^v^
Also, I'll take care of her wiki avi.... Ã,¯vÃ,¯

- I also rewrote the introduction to the List of OS-tans page.  As mentioned, I want this to be more inclusive of efforts both inside and outside Japan, Windows and non-Windows, canon and obscure, etc.  ^^

[NewYinzer]

Alrighty then...things are looking good for the Wiki. However, it looks like the people on Wakachan hate us:
-- url removed by Fedora-Tan, offending content.

[SleepyD]

I'll admit many articles seem... unrefined.  I think they need structure.  Problem is, we don't really know all we need to know.

Many articles to me... seem like my rambling, going on and on, mentioning everything that happens to come to mind...  Now I know much of this comes from the original Wikipedia article, but it does need to be rewritten. (I feel it would have to be if it were to stay in Wikipedia... which it didn't.)

A lot of articles center around description.  Indeed, that is a valid piece of information. However, I feel that people interpret certain aspects of an OS-tan in such a way that you cannot make it a general fact. (I can't find any at the moment, but it should be something to watch out for. Don't explain every little quirk in every variant.)

A second part of an article on an OS-tan should center on it's history through the years.  Granted, that is extremely difficult given the temporary nature of the image boards and the anonymity of the users.  

I believe these articles really do need sources, particularly regarding the classic OS-tans.  Even from just interviewing random people on wakachan.  Wikipedia won't allow original research, and so I believe we should do that.  There's no point in a wiki that does not seem valid in the eyes of the visitors.  And given that part of our audience is in boards like waka, we should make an effort to make it valid in their eyes.

(Note: Like always, not everyone will be satisfied, but we should still try)

[NewYinzer]

Very good argument, SleepyD. We need more solid research in order to make the Wiki valid. However, none of us speak Japanese and there are very few English databases on the the subject. What we need is a solution of some sort that will make the wiki credible...

[SleepyD]

I'm copying this from a post in the Topicless Thread:

The wiki is still a work in progress. If anything, I'd like to think that what will go on there will satisfy what some of the Anonymous guys are talking about.  If there is such an opposition to in-house created characters, perhaps we should make it obvious in the infobox.  I think that is the point of the "First Appearance" section.  (which seems to have unknown typed in there pretty often.... Sorry, I haven't been on the wiki lately)  Alternatively [or concurrently] we could place them in a category...

[Darknight_88]

My opinion:

>> they are also mixing up other things that have nothing to do with them, such as the Moezilla characters, or Wikipe-tan

Well, in fact those are under the category of "Non OS-tans". And those arent' really OS-tans, but are related to them.
But I agree It could be more organized, like having an special article dedicated to list all the related moe anthropomorphisation.
Also, I think the Wiki should be free for everyone to edit, as that's the spirit of the Wiki system. And the characters should be clasified as "Canon" (or something like that) and "Non-canon", for distinguishing the one-shots proposed designs from the widely accepted designs.

I want to remark something: The Wiki should be free for EVERYONE to edit it. That's how it was designed in the beginning. I'm not talking of only allowing members to edit it (which, by now, not even us can. Only mods.), but everyone.

[SleepyD]

As per request to move to this thread:

Just so yinz know, I've been posting pictures there to cover up the flame war...

haha, much appreciated.

Now, I think it's best to just let it slide down into the depths.  Wait for other threads to be bumped.

Some people clearly have some issues with us, some of which is understandable and solvable.

Note "understandable."  I understand why people are against "pass[ing] them off as equivalent to the other OS-tans."  I have no qualms in differentiating ours and the "originals" (namely, the popular ones)

I don't care much for the tone it's presented in, but it is an valid issue that needs addressing.

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My opinion:

>> they are also mixing up other things that have nothing to do with them, such as the Moezilla characters, or Wikipe-tan

Well, in fact those are under the category of "Non OS-tans". And those arent' really OS-tans, but are related to them.
But I agree It could be more organized, like having an special article dedicated to list all the related moe anthropomorphisation.
Also, I think the Wiki should be free for everyone to edit, as that's the spirit of the Wiki system. And the characters should be clasified as "Canon" (or something like that) and "Non-canon", for distinguishing the one-shots proposed designs from the widely accepted designs.

I want to remark something: The Wiki should be free for EVERYONE to edit it. That's how it was designed in the beginning. I'm not talking of only allowing members to edit it (which, by now, not even us can. Only mods.), but everyone.

Whoo boy, I feel Yinz's post is about to cause sweeping reform. ^^


Well, since we do have dedicated wiki members, I have no qualms with it.  There will have to be rules regarding vandalism, reverts, and all that, however.