OS-tan theories and disscusion

[Smokey]

You could also build an androïd, and implement AI on it... But programming a predefined character would be an enourmous task because you would have to make everything compatible with the resident learning protocol...

As for a protocol all you need would be for the AI to recognize an input device and a way to let the AI remember new information... If you can do that all you have to do is teach her a language and you're off...
Kinda like Chii in Chobits...

[SCAI]

That was basically what I meant with the first alternative - however, a Turing-complete simulation AI needs too much power; much more than what could be implanted in a theoretical Android by practical, and relatively uncostly, means. The Mindless interfaces are what I thought of as an extension into the physical world, but you still need the core computer for the sole reason of processing power.

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And besides - the reasonable way to create a Turin-complete simulation AI in the first place is to scan the entire subatomic structure of a predefined human brain, which includes, of course, personality, memories and knowledge (such as language). Granted, some "programming" would be necessary, but can be solved by simply studying neuropsychology, determining what brain areas refer to which function, and then change the representing binary in the AI's structure. Granted, some failures will be had, but thanks to the wonders of copy and paste, a backup of the original is so simple it's almost laughable to worry about.

[Smokey]

This kinda makes me wonder how our brains would compare to a processor (MFLOPS, MIPS, relative MHz etc.)

[Bella]

Hm! I'll see what I can do! I do have a soft spot for redheads.

Thank you! I might be very indebted to you

A few days of research in preparation makes every day in the field easier.


But to bring a new theory to light, as is the topic for this thread...
If developed as a system, how would the OS-TAN function?
After running into this place my interest for Artificial Intelligence development was once more piqued. Seeing the level at which independent/complete AI's today are - meaningly, solely theoretical and primitive - this might feel like rushing things a bit, but I normally prefer to plan ahead quite far; especially with sensitive subjects as this.
So to wrap things up, just how would a real OS-TAN function, in collaboration with the User and the rest of the system?

Do you mean...if we had real-life OS-tans, or theorizing the OS-tans are AI?

At any rate...I've never really thought of the OS-tans as being AI or anything like that...honestly, I've tried to avoid the question of what exactly an OS-tan is...

This kinda makes me wonder how our brains would compare to a processor (MFLOPS, MIPS, relative MHz etc.)

I think I remember hearing something like...the human brain functions at a trillion "calculations" per second or something like that...we're way faster than even the best supercomputers...

Course, we don't think the same way, a computer could beat any person at mathematical stuff...but if you think about it, a brain has to control a lot more hardware and processes (the body) than any computer alive today...O__o

[Smokey]

So we'd better improve the processors first, before overloading them with a full-body, full-function AI....
Darn...

[SCAI]

Moore's Law states that in 20 years computers will have higher processing capacity than a human brain. And we're already broken that, with Intel's Core 2, so we will probably not have to wait all that long until we're capable of constructing Mindless interfaces with more powerful brains than our own.

[Smokey]

AW, man! I volunteer to be the first to be fitted with cybernetic interface/parts!!! really...

[SCAI]

I wouldn't be too quick on that if I were you, actually...if you wish to maintain your own self, that is.
While integrating a high-power processor to collaborate with the brain could be possible, it's a VERY tedious job. Thus, you made into one ideal physical interface, a Mindless, would thus be your body with all brain tissue removed and replaced by, say, spintronic storage/memory devicers, a massive processor and a few connectors to convert the neural signals to binary code and vice versa.
In other words, a hollow shell.

If you speak about Cyborg-fitting processes, now then that is an entirely different thing - which does not really belong here, though.

[Smokey]

wouldn't there be a humanity law forcing the team to back -up all that was stored on my brain, then?

[SCAI]

No, since the process of "clearing" humans isn't very appealing to themselves, and will thus not be done except in extreme cases such as terrorism or acts of war, where such laws are ignored and/or do not a apply in the first case.

This is the main problem with interfaces. A robotic interface is too costly and complex to develop and produce, and an organic interface needs configuration that is, to humans, simply disgusting.

[Smokey]

well, if i could interface with a machine that could store all my "data" they could do basically anything with my body then.. as long as i would still have a body to live in... (but I'm thinking more in the way of GITS, now)

[SCAI]

Well, the point of "clearing" a human body would be to enable the usage of the body as an interface. Ergo, it cannot have any permanently resident consciousness. And converting your neural data to binary...well, as I said before that's essentially how you construct a Turing-complete simulation AI in the first place - scan the entire brain's structure to subatomic level and convert it to binary, then simulate it as a program...so essentially YOU would be the AI, and your body would be your interface - just like before but with a few bugs and the ability to disconnect from the body and reside in digital space.


Ah well. An amusing exchange, I must say. However, it is late. I might return sometime later. Goodnight.

[Smokey]

nicely summed up there.... ;010
and a good night to you too, sir...

[Bella]

Ahoyhoy....lookie at what I found...OMG! It's the legendary BSD mascot! She's really nothing like our version...but we can maybe incorperate some of these elements....



http://tokochan.haun.org/toko01.jpg

http://tokochan.haun.org/

And OMG...A SOLARIS mascot, too!



http://pony.tail.net/toko/toko14.jpg

http://pony.tail.net/toko/sol.html

Given my newfound interest in Solaris-tan...I wonder how I can fit this character into her backstory (maybe this would be Solaris while she still went by the name of SunOS-tan). She has the red hair like our version...older Solaris-tan doesn't wear glasses, but who's to say she didn't swap those out for...contacts or something...? And from the looks of it, there's a whole story written for her, too...

And just re-posting this, since it kinda got buried...

I've been thinking of doing a drawing of Solaris-tan....so I researched the OS a bit. A few interesting points I came up with:

-Solaris is based heavily off of SunOS; would SunOS be Solaris-tan's younger self, or her mother or something?
-Solaris is based off of both System V and BSD code; I guess Solaris-tan would be rather impartial to both sides of the Unix family.
-Solaris was closed source for a very long time, and is just now being opened; I guess Solaris-tan would have then been a vehement closed-source type, until having some kind of epiphany in 2004 (although, one wonders what would make her have such a change of heart...). Unless, of course, there should be an OpenSolaris-tan, but I think it's better to have OpenSolaris and Solaris be one character.
-Project Indiana aims to give (or has given) OpenSolaris the ability to run GNOME and GNU tools...methinks Solaris-tan might tread a bit on Linux-sama's territory (though this has been insinuated before)

After reading about Solaris, from its roots as SunOS to the current projects involving making it an open sourse system of a Linux caliber, I can say Solaris-tan is a very interesting character. And while I may still be at a complete and utter loss for her battle suit, I've thought up an incredible defense ability of hers...

When you think of the sun, what comes to mind? No, I don't mean fire, cause Inferno-chan and Unix-sama(?) already have the ability to control fire and we don't want it being cliched. No, I mean the other thing that comes to mind when one thinks of the sun....a magnetic field!

Okay, okay, a magnetic field may not sound too interesting as a defensive power. But I imagine Solaris-tan would be able to deflect any kind of power coming her way in a battle, and even turn that power back on the person it came from. Plus, when confronted with attack, her magnetic field would probably light up in a spectacular way (think, the Northern Lights).

[C-Chan]

Ahoyhoy....lookie at what I found...OMG! It's the legendary BSD mascot! She's really nothing like our version...but we can maybe incorperate some of these elements....

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Aha!  So you found her.  ^^
Now you know where I got the blue hair reference from.  ^^
Could be her when she was in her VERY BRIEF preschool days.  ^___^'

And OMG...A SOLARIS mascot, too!

Given my newfound interest in Solaris-tan...I wonder how I can fit this character into her backstory (maybe this would be Solaris while she still went by the name of SunOS-tan). She has the red hair like our version...older Solaris-tan doesn't wear glasses, but who's to say she didn't swap those out for...contacts or something...? And from the looks of it, there's a whole story written for her, too...

Ah yes, the pigtailed-girl is clearly SunOS-chan, who I've always pictured as the childhood version of Solaris-sama (just like how Project Indiana is simply Solaris-sama trying desperately to imitate her arch rival).  ^v^;

Solaris-sama is still oft-overlooked, but I saw very quickly that you tried to fix that (in a sketch at least).  ^^

I think I'll call it a night.   Sorry for missing out on some any wonderful sketches, but you can trust me at least that I'll get to them slowly but surely, even if it takes a while.  ^__^