OS-tan theories and disscusion

[Bella]

Thanks

I really like DOS 11-tan...kinda...

[C-Chan]

WAAAAAAAH!!!!!  >0<

Still need a raincheck.  ^^;

*offers to convert self into Italian Sausage sandwich as compensation*

Or would you prefer huevos con chorizo?  
Cause I can do either or,... benefits of being a wannabe mutli-ethnic chef and all.  ^.^'

[C-Chan]

OKAY!!!!!!  
I know I'm on the verge of collapse right now, but by GAWD!! I shan't keep a lady waiting any longer!  ^0^

...

Or at least a "real-life" lady anyway.... -v-;

*sacrifices some brief Metroid Prime 3 gameplay in order to type response*

I see most of the older OS-tans as being fighters...

Not like our lazy modern OS-tans XD

Precisely!  
Keh!!!  Kids these days just don't know what it means to struggle, or use a command line,... or even live without a monitor!!  *tsk tsk tsk*  -v-

Ohhhh,... how youth is wasted on the young.  ^___^

Hoohooo...! I never thought of it that way...makes me wonder about the relationship between Slackware-tan and Unix-sama (because, at least I think, Slackware-tan really wants to be like Unix-sama and follow her teachings but she also adores Linux-sama...t would make for some funny self-conflict)

I would think the Queen Mother would view Slackware in much the same way one would look at a a small girl who likes to pretend she's a grown-up (even though Slackware is one of the oldest Linux-tans of all.... ^^;

Yep, plenty of room for humor there. ^___^

I’ll take idealistic, socialist hippy, thank you... But, yeah, I do see the DEC-tans as kinda annoyed by the Linuxes...

Especially with the much older OS-tans, computing used to be relegated to the level of elites and engineers,... a true technocracy (or oligarchy?), set up since the days of GMOS-sama and SAGE-sama.  Everyone knew to respect them, tip their hats or bow when they saw them coming down the streets, and turn a blind eye to their almost "colonial" approach to running their affairs.  So of course, the first personal computer OS-tans, like ][-tan and PETchan, would've been like the Beatles to that old order,... scandolously rebellious and infecting their beloved profession with the ranks of so many untrained, foolhardy youths,... but only a scant precursor to the barbarian HORDES that would come in the next two decades.  ^_______^'

And yes, the Linux-tans would just be like another nail in the coffin, not only giving MORE Power to the People (setting up systems for the schools, homes, and hospitals of the POOR,... FOR FREE!!!!! HOW PREPOSTEROUS!!!), but also divulging many of their trade secrets to boot!

I guess it would be a bit interesting to think that hardly any of the DEC-tans know of the VMS/WNT(< had to do that) connection, but I think some (like you said, RSX-san [Who I also see as wise enough to make the connection], as well as a couple of the more modern, “in-touch” ones) know...even if not on a conscious level, or, they’re just in denial, calling it as a strange coincidence, and they’d never point out the similarities between their “sister” and NT-tan. I think part of the sad irony would be the incredible physical and mental similarities between the two, perhaps only offset by their incredible differences

You got the idea, but it's not like I ever doubted you could.  ^___^
Incidentally, aside from RSX-sama, UNIX-sama would also know as well.  Not that the Queen Mother is low enough to divulge that information to anyone else (certainly not to her old rivals), but on occasion she loves to,.... "imply" that in private [peace-time] conversations with VMS-sama.... you know, just for some fun psychological torture.
[I say "peace-time", cause when open hostilaties flare up, UNIX-sama has no time for jokes.]

While we’re on the subject of soap opera storylines, I’d like to think that VMS-san would have been the motherly type, (much like NT-tan), if she had been given the chance. Sadly, though, the only “daughter” she ever had was never raised or taught by her, and they’ve never even really met outside of battle circumstances...

Agreed.  ^^
In a way, if you do follow the CIOST arc that I set up, VMS-sama's decision to band together so many displaced OS-tans could be interpreted as a way to create a "surrogate family" of sorts (especially since the vast majority of them are younger than she is).  But of course, that's no substitute and neither are her beloved sharks.  Poor Mama VMS leaves a very troubled life.  ^^;

But I can see where VMS-san (or I should say NT-san, via VMS-san) was could be the greatest help to the M$ family...had they stuck it out with MSDOS based OSs or gone with OS/2 (which I've heard wasn't as stable as IBM/M$ said it was), perhaps they wouldn't have gotten such a foothold in the server market...

On the other hand, they might've kept Xenix-sama and perhaps made something useful with her.  ^___^
(or perhaps marketed OS/2 a little better to make it the successful OS-tan she deserved to be.... ^.^)

Then again... woulda coulda shoulda.... no use crying over spilt milk.... ^___^;

Just another preconcept sketch of DOS batch 11 (or just DOS-11)-tan...I see her in the mid-to-older teenage age range...maybe, if not from the simple fact the "DOS" in her name remindes me of disk operating system-tans : / That and the fact that DEC only released DOS 11 for 4 years, and much of the users stoped using DOS-11 in 1973 when RT-11 came out (That's also why I think she'd be especially prickly with a perspective RT11-tan....)

Yeah, when I first researched old OS-tans, I got confused by the overprevalence of ancient "DOS-tans".
However, all the "DOSes" we know where derived in some form or another from CP/M, but the actual label "DOS" is fairly prevalent since it just means "Disk Operating System".  ^.^

But agreed, it's kinda cute to make them youngish-looking if at least to establish a kind of "DOS-tan Tradition".  ^__^

Even VSE-sama (formerly "DOS/360"-tan), who is a Mainframe-tan that I hope to draw one day, essentially barrels down to looking like a 24 meter-tall MSDOS-tan (not quite, but almost).  ^^;

Surprised that DOS-11-sama is only equipped with a mere knife, though.  ^^

and here's the preconcept sketch for an RT11-tan, or at least a young one...somehow I see her as being a cheery (or at least cheerier than most DEC-tans) type...in spare time, she likes playing old-fashioned games, and she stuck it out with her company, loyally, to the very end.

Awww... wish I had seen her earlier, she's so cute for an Ancient!  ^v^
Course, what does she use as a weapon?  (cause even the happy, go-lucky Ancients knew how to pack a punch)  ^___^

And speaking of RSX-san, I keep thinking she'd be a bit like Izumi from Fullmetal Alchemist....a tough-love kind of teacher. She's still strong, but in recent years she just can't quite exert herself like she used to...

*questions marks riddle C-chan's head*

Welp,... your the Full Metal Jacket,... er, "Alchemist" expert.  ^^;
I'm still just barely getting through Ghost in the Shell 2nd GIG.  ^.^;

*collapses over keyboard*

I'm done!  Xvx;

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz -____-

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Oh btw, wanted to share this with everyone, but I know Bella-san would get a real kick out of this one.... ^___^

*Nix Comics

[Bella]

I would think the Queen Mother would view Slackware in much the same way one would look at a a small girl who likes to pretend she's a grown-up (even though Slackware is one of the oldest Linux-tans of all.... ^^;

Yep, plenty of room for humor there. ^___^

And somehow I can see where Slackware-tan would kinda berate some of her more "friendly" sisters for being "sell outs" XD

Maybe like Ubuntu-sama and certainly the Windows dopplegangers

So of course, the first personal computer OS-tans, like ][-tan and PETchan, would've been like the Beatles to that old order,... scandolously rebellious and infecting their beloved profession with the ranks of so many untrained, foolhardy youths,... but only a scant precursor to the barbarian HORDES that would come in the next two decades. ^_______^'

Woohoo! The Beatles

So, I guess the Windows-tans would be like punk rockers or something XD

You got the idea, but it's not like I ever doubted you could. ^___^
Incidentally, aside from RSX-sama, UNIX-sama would also know as well. Not that the Queen Mother is low enough to divulge that information to anyone else (certainly not to her old rivals), but on occasion she loves to,.... "imply" that in private [peace-time] conversations with VMS-sama.... you know, just for some fun psychological torture.
[I say "peace-time", cause when open hostilaties flare up, UNIX-sama has no time for jokes.]

Psychological torture for VMS-sama using NT-tan? Did I say Unix-sama was great? Now she's INCREDIBLY AWESOME  ;006

And lest we not forgeteth The Book Of Unix-sama-ism, "The Goddess hath knowith everything, about every single OS that runnith and creepith on the world. For she is Root."

Agreed. ^^
In a way, if you do follow the CIOST arc that I set up, VMS-sama's decision to band together so many displaced OS-tans could be interpreted as a way to create a "surrogate family" of sorts (especially since the vast majority of them are younger than she is). But of course, that's no substitute and neither are her beloved sharks. Poor Mama VMS leaves a very troubled life. ^^;

Awwww....I've never thought of it that way...

(I just got an odd image of VMS-sama in a wetsuit, going out to dive with her sharks XD)

Course, what does she use as a weapon? (cause even the happy, go-lucky Ancients knew how to pack a punch) ^___^

Must be something bladed, for sure

Oh btw, wanted to share this with everyone, but I know Bella-san would get a real kick out of this one.... ^___^

*Nix Comics

ZOMG those are frickin great

Now, go to the bathroom or get a snack before you start reading. Cause I'm about to talk your ear off with some....

Random (this time NT, VMS and OS/2-tan) Conjuncture time!

Usually, NT-tan is depicted as either a girl (usually a blue-eyed & dark haired)



or the more common (lilac-haired, motherly) young woman



so it's probably logical to say that the pictures where she's an adult are "current depictions" while the girl is young NT-tan. Perhaps they could be seen as different NT versions (youngest NT-tan being 3.1, whereas the older "current" NT-tan would be NT 4.0, the last release marketed as NT before they moved onto 2000, XP, etc.)...I know Deja Vu got into a huge debacle for attemping to make a separate NT-tan for one of the releases, but I figure since these would all be the same character just at different ages, I'm pretty safe

I think a picture like the first, or these I drew,





would be NT-tan between, lets say, the development/test stages of the OS and ver. 3.1 or 3.5, physically 10-12, and between the years of, whenever MS started working on NT and 1993/94.. Quiet, thoughtful, caring (like most depictions of her are), yet not entirely sure of her background. Not that she cares much about that; to her she's just another Windows sister, even if she's "different" from them in a lot of ways (IE, she's more stable than her relatives). In lieu of a mother, I think she would look up to 3.1-sama; although, her admiration may be more about 3.1-sama's beauty and less about her character (since NT 3.5's GUI looked like Windows 3.1). She also shows great aptitude in swordsmanship (besides being pictured with bladed weapons on occasion, this a backward-reference to VMS-sama, whom also has talent with sword fighting); although an asset, it will mostly be her likable nature (and the Unixes self-destructing) that will help her conquer the server market.







I think that this would be NT-tan between versions 3.5 and 3.51 or 4.0, a teenager, and between the years of 1994 and 95/96. She's helping her family and company take the server market; although, not as stable as many of the Unixes she's overtaken, people seem to like her a lot and find her easy to get along with...(Kinda made the last part up...although I know that M$ says using NT (or based OSs) instead of Linux/Unix will keep costs down because of "easier operation and less training for workers", and that one of the things that harmed Unix was that there were too many competing forms of it...although I don't know if either are true...)
I think at this time she would befriend 95-tan, who's kinda like her desktop/PC counterpart at this point



I think this would be NT-tan between version 4.0, SP4, (released in 1998) and currently. The OS turbulence of the early and mid-90s behind her, she's had several children (and NT based Windows OS), and has calmed down considerably not having to fight anymore.

Meanwhile, as for VMS-sama's role in NT-tan's life, I'm not even sure about the events, I'll post a little bit about the RL history of the OS's, and thoughts on OS-tan paralleils...

--First off, I think a "cloned" OS-tan is more-or-less a "daughter", but I believe that the term daughter denotes a close emotional relationship with the mother, whereas a clone has only a genetic relationship.
I mean to say, (the way I see it) 2k-tan was raised and trained by both her company and her mother, NT-tan. I think a clone wouldn't know of her heritage, be raised by, or ever have contact, with the OS-tan she was cloned from.

I guess to put it into RL context, I think a clone OS would be where a company steals, barrows, or takes inspiration, or however you want to phrase it, from another company's OS without their consent, knowledge or any imput from the company. Or when two OSs bear an unusually deep resemblance to eachother it their internal design.

Not that I'm saying M$ stole from DEC; That's just the way I could phrase it most coherently 0__-

--NT was *supposed* to be an extension to OS/2, but eventually became it's own OS. (as for OS-tans, this only makes the relation between NT-san and OS/2-san more confusing)

If NT-san was the "clone" of VMS, I don't think it's unresonable (I think we're a little to far to talk about what's unresonable) to think that somehow she also has some, weird, only-M$-could-purpotrait-this-kinda-unholy-technical-crime-against-nature genitic tie to OS/2, albeit less of a genetic connection than that of NT-san and VMS-sama. I mean, maybe her bloodline goes back to the two of them-

*shiver goes through very soul* ...did I just sugest NT-tan's OS/2 and VMS-sama's daughter...? O___o

*twitches*

--Cutler joined M$ in 1988 to work on a "more crash-proof" version of Windows.

--NT branches from VMS 5.4 (1990). NT also has ties to OS/2 1.1 (1988), and Windows 3.0 (1990), (though I'm guessing this is mostly in the GUI).

--VMS was ported to DEC Alpha in 1992, and renamed OpenVMS. One of the platforms NT was originally designed to run on was also Alpha. This could have made for a conflict between NT-tan and VMS-sama (or shall I just apply to be a soap opera writer)? Other possible conflict could also be between her and UnixWare-tan  (cause I've heard UnixWare took a beating agaist NT)

--They say, on the surface, NT and VMS aren't incredibly similar; it's fairly deep in the OS's where their similarities lie. I don't think VMS-sama and NT-san would be physically identical, but may have many of the same attitude traits, just under different circumstances. EG, I think VMS-sama's personality would have been much like NT-tan, in her youth...I think it was since the birth of NT that she started to go radical...

And on a last note, can anyone tell me what this means?



I found this while doing some research. It shows that Win1.0 is linked to an OS from the 70s called Alto...?

Also, would OS/2-tan be Windows 1.0-tan's daughter...?

[Aurora Borealis]

Well-said! I never really considered those old versions of NT-tan (like the schoolgirl one) because they were mostly one-shot and dropped in favor of the lilac-haired one but you didn't forget those and incorporated them in her backstory! And with some of your beautiful fanart too! ;019

But as to the relation between NT-tan, Win 1.0-tan and OS/2-tan... Uhh... I'm stumped! x__x

[C-Chan]

Yo Bella-san!  ^___^

First, glad to have you back!  ^v^

*hugs*

Second,... I don't know how the hell I can give you a hug when I'm still technically space dust (see your art thread).  ^.^'

Sorry 'bout that, btw, but you know how I get when you draw masterpieces, and those have "Masterpiece" written all over them!  ^.^
When I've put myself back together again [Humpty Dumpty-style apparently), I promise a good reply there, but for now I'll help you out with your research here.... ^v^

Oh, and third,...

*squeals with delight*

Welcome to the Mac OSX rank!!!!!!!!!!!  ^V^
I too second Aurora-dono's recommendation,... not just about being cautious of the pervy OSX-kuns, but also to watch out for demented pigs who love to play with cat ears.... *v*

And somehow I can see where Slackware-tan would kinda berate some of her more "friendly" sisters for being "sell outs" XD

Maybe like Ubuntu-sama and certainly the Windows dopplegangers

Fufufu... be careful and not make her too much like puritanical TRSDOS-tan, or all her sisters will try to devise ways to get rid of her.  ^.^

Woohoo! The Beatles

So, I guess the Windows-tans would be like punk rockers or something XD

...And the OSX-tans as Hip Hop/Reggaeton/Dance Hall artists, and you got yourself a deal.  ^___^

Psychological torture for VMS-sama using NT-tan? Did I say Unix-sama was great? Now she's INCREDIBLY AWESOME

And lest we not forgeteth The Book Of Unix-sama-ism, "The Goddess hath knowith everything, about every single OS that runnith and creepith on the world. For she is Root."

Yep, couldn't have found a better caretaker for UNIX-sama.  ^__________^

*cries tears of joy*

Only the Mainframe-tans could stand a chance of challenging UNIX-sama's Goddesshood.  On the other hand, UNIX-sama was a former Mainframe-tan herself for a while.  `v'

Awwww....I've never thought of it that way...

(I just got an odd image of VMS-sama in a wetsuit, going out to dive with her sharks XD)

You got it!  ^__~
Not quite typical, but I figure that kind of,... *cough cough*.... "hooby" could help add distinction to what would otherwise be the proverbial, cool, socially-awkward, silent-type character.  ^^'

Course,... if in the distant future, mother and daughter (and granddaughters) do finally get together happily, there'll be a lot of explaining to do as to why Jaws and Jaws Jr. are living in grandma's tank.  ^^;

I imagine a lot of the DEC-tans think that young pup "VMS-chan" has probably lost it (but oh well, at least they're not "peasant pets").

Must be something bladed, for sure

Now you're cookin' with fiya!  ^v^
Could be an interesting foreshadowing of NT-san, who also likes kind and gentle, but could theoretically whoop 95-tan up a new one.  ^^;

ZOMG those are frickin great

I love the Dilbert one with the Anti-Microsoft missiles.  ^.^

Now, go to the bathroom or get a snack before you start reading. Cause I'm about to talk your ear off with some....

Fufufu... I've been a bad influence, haven't I.... ^__________^;

Random (this time NT, VMS and OS/2-tan) Conjuncture time!

Actually,... if you think about it,... we're always talking about them.  ^^;

so it's probably logical to say that the pictures where she's an adult are "current depictions" while the girl is young NT-tan. Perhaps they could be seen as different NT versions (youngest NT-tan being 3.1, whereas the older "current" NT-tan would be NT 4.0, the last release marketed as NT before they moved onto 2000, XP, etc.)...I know Deja Vu got into a huge debacle for attemping to make a separate NT-tan for one of the releases, but I figure since these would all be the same character just at different ages, I'm pretty safe

Precisely.  ^__^
And again, I reiterate that the major problem with Deja Vu was pure and simple plagiarism (and worse, cashing in on plagiarism), and in that respect it's no wonder people would be p'ed off (I would be too).  `v'

The reality is that the varying appearances are all the result of different artistic license (case in point right there, the really YOUNG looking InuT), but hypothetically-speaking, it's far more fair to explain varying ages, hair, clothing, etc, as the character evolving throughout the ages (and wearing different clothes, etc).

I think a picture like the first, or these I drew,

You do realize that that's your first rendition of 3.1-sama!  ^v^

Methinks I have to drag the Captain over by the ear in order to do proper worship.... -v-
Schoolgirl NT-tan is especially good-looking, and love the fact that you're helping popularize the rapier.

Quiet, thoughtful, caring (like most depictions of her are), yet not entirely sure of her background. Not that she cares much about that; to her she's just another Windows sister, even if she's "different" from them in a lot of ways (IE, she's more stable than her relatives). In lieu of a mother, I think she would look up to 3.1-sama; although, her admiration may be more about 3.1-sama's beauty and less about her character (since NT 3.5's GUI looked like Windows 3.1).

Wow,.. you know, it completely slipped my mind that 3.1-sama would take much affection to NT-san (and vice-versa).  In reality, that sounds like a very realistic scenario, especially since "Father" would've loved NT-san to bits, and whatever Father loved 3.1-sama loved too.

Or at least that would be the case until 95-tan arrived.... ^^;

She also shows great aptitude in swordsmanship (besides being pictured with bladed weapons on occasion, this a backward-reference to VMS-sama, whom also has talent with sword fighting); although an asset, it will mostly be her likable nature (and the Unixes self-destructing) that will help her conquer the server market.

Precisely!  ^__^
Windows-tans are anything but charismatic, and even today can make a polished turd look like tasty pastry.  ^.^
NT-san would've been no exception, and in fact her multi-lingual abilities would've made her even more desirable to businesses already fed up (and losing money) from so much [UNIX] war.

I think that this would be NT-tan between versions 3.5 and 3.51 or 4.0, a teenager, and between the years of 1994 and 95/96. She's helping her family and company take the server market; although, not as stable as many of the Unixes she's overtaken, people seem to like her a lot and find her easy to get along with...(Kinda made the last part up...although I know that M$ says using NT (or based OSs) instead of Linux/Unix will keep costs down because of "easier operation and less training for workers", and that one of the things that harmed Unix was that there were too many competing forms of it...although I don't know if either are true...)

You should also take into consideration that, especially in that era, UNIX boxes were (and still are, to a certain extent) EXPENSIVE!!!  @o@
If a box running NT was, say $2,000 or $3,000 USD, a comparable UNIX box might've been $50,000USD.  True, the latter was more reliable, can perform 100x more functions,  and probably still works fine even to this day,... but when was the last time you saw a business that thought in the long-term?  ^__^

Training also may have been a selling point, since GUI OSes are always perceived as being newer and better than black and white throwbacks to the 1960's (or sloppy, ugly 70's GUIs, like,... *gasp*... VMS-sama!  @o@)

The reason why this is less and less a selling point today is because Linux servers CAN be a helluva lot cheaper than Windows boxes, AND CAN be easier to use and set up than most people give credit too.  A memorable example is the inspiring story of the great guitar string maker Sterling Ball:

http://www.news.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

I think at this time she would befriend 95-tan, who's kinda like her desktop/PC counterpart at this point

Unfortunately, I'm tempted to add the additional friction that she kinda displaces 3.1-sama at this point.  While Father may say he loves "all" of them, in reality he may be more present-minded than people are willing to admit and may simply adore whomever can secure his great empire.  As 3.1-sama's natural successor, all resources are placed into keeping 95-tan and NT-tan paired as partners in training and in sorties, and relegating 3.1-sama (and MSDOS-chan) further and further into the sidelines having outlived their usefulness.

If according to my story, this would be a classic case of "what comes around goes around", but still you may think of a kinder and gentler theory for why 3.1-sama is as emotionless as she is now.  '__'

I think this would be NT-tan between version 4.0, SP4, (released in 1998) and currently. The OS turbulence of the early and mid-90s behind her, she's had several children (and NT based Windows OS), and has calmed down considerably not having to fight anymore.

Agreed.  ^__^
The M$ family structure also lightens up considerably in this age of Pax Microsoftica, so even though systems like ME-chan and the 98 sisters get unsupported, no one ever thinks of leaving them behind.  Those barbaric days are over (or are they?), although a bit too late for some of the older members.... -___-

--First off, I think a "cloned" OS-tan is more-or-less a "daughter", but I believe that the term daughter denotes a close emotional relationship with the mother, whereas a clone has only a genetic relationship.
I mean to say, (the way I see it) 2k-tan was raised and trained by both her company and her mother, NT-tan. I think a clone wouldn't know of her heritage, be raised by, or ever have contact, with the OS-tan she was cloned from.

True, but then you're as much a big soap opera writer as I am.  ^__^
And you and I know that, while a clone does fail to do all that you mentioned, I imagine that (short of effective brainwashing) they're just as curious about 'biological parents" as real-life children who've never met their own either.  Consider it a kind of tacit awe and respect for the woman who gifted you your first cells.  So although they may not have lived with eachother or come in contact, certainly the potential exists for the "clone" to WANT a mother eventually (and perhaps vice-versa).

I guess to put it into RL context, I think a clone OS would be where a company steals, barrows, or takes inspiration, or however you want to phrase it, from another company's OS without their consent, knowledge or any imput from the company. Or when two OSs bear an unusually deep resemblance to eachother it their internal design.

I guess I do see what you mean, in that "clone" really should be reserved as a more "deragotory" term.  The RL example I mentioned, for example, pertains more precisely to children born from invitro or from a surrogate mother, in order to live with non-biological parents, whereas clones are actual genetic copies of the mother in question.  Unfortunately, not sure how we can call these children who are neither "daughters" nor "clones",... surely there's probably a medical term from them, even though that would be diving dangerously deep into simple symantics).  ^^'

Not that I'm saying M$ stole from DEC; That's just the way I could phrase it most coherently 0__-

*sarcasm*  Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah,... I'm sure they didn't.  ^________________^;

--NT was *supposed* to be an extension to OS/2, but eventually became it's own OS. (as for OS-tans, this only makes the relation between NT-san and OS/2-san more confusing)

More the reason why we could add even more turbulent soap opera style drama to their relationship.  ^___^

If NT-san was the "clone" of VMS, I don't think it's unresonable (I think we're a little to far to talk about what's unresonable) to think that somehow she also has some, weird, only-M$-could-purpotrait-this-kinda-unholy-technical-crime-against-nature genitic tie to OS/2, albeit less of a genetic connection than that of NT-san and VMS-sama. I mean, maybe her bloodline goes back to the two of them-

*shiver goes through very soul* ...did I just sugest NT-tan's OS/2 and VMS-sama's daughter...? O___o

Repeat after me..... -v-

V-A-N-D-R-E-A-D  ^____^

Go watch that series,... revel as i did in the fact that the lead [full-grown] male character is shorter than ALL the female characters in the series... and place close attention to the part about Ohmas and Fahmas.  ^^;

That might help shed some additional light in the matter (though it likely won't make you twitch any less).  ^^;

On the other hand, you could take the more conservative route and imply that NT-san just inherited the training modules which were assigned to the young OS/2-tan (because the actual OS/2 code in Windows NT is fairly superfluous anyway, and vice versa).  So all the weapons, courses, schooling and education that were originally created to bring OS/2-tan to greatness were taken from her and given to NT-tan instead.

I call it a cop out, but oh well,... we really can't be creating mothers and daughters and suspiciously father-like women EVERYWHERE now, can we,...? ^^;

--VMS was ported to DEC Alpha in 1992, and renamed OpenVMS. One of the platforms NT was originally designed to run on was also Alpha. This could have made for a conflict between NT-tan and VMS-sama (or shall I just apply to be a soap opera writer)? Other possible conflict could also be between her and UnixWare-tan (cause I've heard UnixWare took a beating agaist NT)

I did mention before that VMS-san and NT-san would've been forced to fight.  VMS-san doesn't lose, but she does get hurt psychologically as she knows the truth but is barred (by honor or a company mandate or both) to saying anything.

--They say, on the surface, NT and VMS aren't incredibly similar; it's fairly deep in the OS's where their similarities lie. I don't think VMS-sama and NT-san would be physically identical, but may have many of the same attitude traits, just under different circumstances. EG, I think VMS-sama's personality would have been much like NT-tan, in her youth...I think it was since the birth of NT that she started to go radical...

Yep, see above.  ^__^
I do object to them look physically dissimilar.  I think you did a great job of making VMS-sama NT-like, but not quite so (just like any mother/daughter), and I'd rather you not change it.  ^.^

And on a last note, can anyone tell me what this means?

Note that the "inspiration" line also connects to LisaOS.  basically it jsut means that Bill and the gang were inspired by the old Xerox Alto to create their GUI,... and unsurprising fact given that's probably what college kids (and dropouts) would've used back in the 70's....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

Judging by the monitor, I can see why they called it "Alto".  I reckon such an OS-tan would be kinda tall (at least for the early 70's).

Also, would OS/2-tan be Windows 1.0-tan's daughter...?

Unless you're referring to "step-daughter", no.  ^___^

OS/2 is a new OS from the ground-up that probably has more in common with the DOS-tans than with 1.0-sama.  On the other hand, you can probably get a lot of soap opera drama from OS/2-san's relationship with eComstation-chan.  ^__~

[Bella]

I too second Aurora-dono's recommendation,... not just about being cautious of the pervy OSX-kuns, but also to watch out for demented pigs who love to play with cat ears.... *v*

Hah. I'm am Cheetah-san...I can deal with all sorts of perves XD

And if they get fresh, I can always call my good friend..Homeko-sama! I don't think you want me to do that, either...!

Only the Mainframe-tans could stand a chance of challenging UNIX-sama's Goddesshood. On the other hand, UNIX-sama was a former Mainframe-tan herself for a while. `v'

Ahhhh....the Mainframes may be greatith, but Unix-sama is a Goddess Incarnate.

Course,... if in the distant future, mother and daughter (and granddaughters) do finally get together happily, there'll be a lot of explaining to do as to why Jaws and Jaws Jr. are living in grandma's tank. ^^;

Especially poor Saba-chan O___O

The reality is that the varying appearances are all the result of different artistic license (case in point right there, the really YOUNG looking InuT), but hypothetically-speaking, it's far more fair to explain varying ages, hair, clothing, etc, as the character evolving throughout the ages (and wearing different clothes, etc).

That's how I've always looked at it, if not just for my own sanity with all the different designs O_o

There are three known depictions of Leopard-tan for example, (and I remember you bringing this up), I'd like to think all three of them...The blue-haired Magical Girl, Aurora's (and my fave) teal-haired timetraveler, and the Nijura pink-haired charatcer...are all the same character, perhaps at different times...

Could be an interesting foreshadowing of NT-san, who also likes kind and gentle, but could theoretically whoop 95-tan up a new one. ^^;

Oh yes, she can handle herself...but I do have a funny image where a young "General" NT-san, dressed in her finest attire, about to lead her "troops" into some kind of OS battle...when....she falls flat on her face XD

Oh course, I think she would have become more "stable" over the years

You should also take into consideration that, especially in that era, UNIX boxes were (and still are, to a certain extent) EXPENSIVE!!! @o@
If a box running NT was, say $2,000 or $3,000 USD, a comparable UNIX box might've been $50,000USD. True, the latter was more reliable, can perform 100x more functions, and probably still works fine even to this day,... but when was the last time you saw a business that thought in the long-term? ^__^

That I didn't know O___O

The reason why this is less and less a selling point today is because Linux servers CAN be a helluva lot cheaper than Windows boxes, AND CAN be easier to use and set up than most people give credit too. A memorable example is the inspiring story of the great guitar string maker Sterling Ball:

http://www.news.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

That's a neat story! It's good to hear stuff that OSS is becoming more mainstream

Unfortunately, I'm tempted to add the additional friction that she kinda displaces 3.1-sama at this point. While Father may say he loves "all" of them, in reality he may be more present-minded than people are willing to admit and may simply adore whomever can secure his great empire. As 3.1-sama's natural successor, all resources are placed into keeping 95-tan and NT-tan paired as partners in training and in sorties, and relegating 3.1-sama (and MSDOS-chan) further and further into the sidelines having outlived their usefulness.

If according to my story, this would be a classic case of "what comes around goes around", but still you may think of a kinder and gentler theory for why 3.1-sama is as emotionless as she is now. '__'

That's sounds about right...

(^I'm a Drama queen!!!!)

Agreed. ^__^
The M$ family structure also lightens up considerably in this age of Pax Microsoftica, so even though systems like ME-chan and the 98 sisters get unsupported, no one ever thinks of leaving them behind. Those barbaric days are over (or are they?),

*suspicious cough* XP-SAMA *suspicious cough*

True, but then you're as much a big soap opera writer as I am. ^__^
And you and I know that, while a clone does fail to do all that you mentioned, I imagine that (short of effective brainwashing) they're just as curious about 'biological parents" as real-life children who've never met their own either. Consider it a kind of tacit awe and respect for the woman who gifted you your first cells. So although they may not have lived with eachother or come in contact, certainly the potential exists for the "clone" to WANT a mother eventually (and perhaps vice-versa).

I think that, especially being with M$, NT-san would be kept happy and in a state where she doesn't ask questions, and they don't breach the subject of
"bloodlines"

I think, as I said before, VMS-sama would really want to be able to know her daughter...but this is pretty unrealistic for her : /

I guess I do see what you mean, in that "clone" really should be reserved as a more "deragotory" term. The RL example I mentioned, for example, pertains more precisely to children born from invitro or from a surrogate mother, in order to live with non-biological parents, whereas clones are actual genetic copies of the mother in question. Unfortunately, not sure how we can call these children who are neither "daughters" nor "clones",... surely there's probably a medical term from them, even though that would be diving dangerously deep into simple symantics). ^^'

I guess that's a better way than I put it....I guess what I was trying to say was, yes, I don't think that an OS clone would necessarily be a copy

Repeat after me..... -v-

V-A-N-D-R-E-A-D ^____^

Go watch that series,... revel as i did in the fact that the lead [full-grown] male character is shorter than ALL the female characters in the series... and place close attention to the part about Ohmas and Fahmas. ^^

Only if you got watch Fullmetal Alchemist

*Oh, Wikipe-tan!*

*reads outline*

"Men and women are separated"....

*Puts 2 + 2 together*

O___O Methinks I know where this is going

Okay, that makes a little sense...kinda...?

On the other hand, you could take the more conservative route and imply that NT-san just inherited the training modules which were assigned to the young OS/2-tan (because the actual OS/2 code in Windows NT is fairly superfluous anyway, and vice versa). So all the weapons, courses, schooling and education that were originally created to bring OS/2-tan to greatness were taken from her and given to NT-tan instead.

I call it a cop out, but oh well,... we really can't be creating mothers and daughters and suspiciously father-like women EVERYWHERE now, can we,...? ^^;

*scary whispery voice*

But this is M$ we're talking about...they dabble in the kind of Technical Dark Arts which us mere mortals can only imagine in our darkest nightmares...Heed me well, they hatch the sort of diabolical schemes that makes Dr. Frankenstein's monster look like a kid's school project!

*ticks*

*twitches*

*VMS-sama stares at me*

What can I say? She takes after her mother!

*knife whizzes by head*

I did mention before that VMS-san and NT-san would've been forced to fight. VMS-san doesn't lose, but she does get hurt psychologically as she knows the truth but is barred (by honor or a company mandate or both) to saying anything.

That sound about right.

Yep, see above. ^__^
I do object to them look physically dissimilar. I think you did a great job of making VMS-sama NT-like, but not quite so (just like any mother/daughter), and I'd rather you not change it. ^.^

Yeah, I'm keeping VMS-sama as she is. Just, I don't want them to be indentical

Note that the "inspiration" line also connects to LisaOS. basically it jsut means that Bill and the gang were inspired by the old Xerox Alto to create their GUI,... and unsurprising fact given that's probably what college kids (and dropouts) would've used back in the 70's....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

Judging by the monitor, I can see why they called it "Alto". I reckon such an OS-tan would be kinda tall (at least for the early 70's).

Okay...crime against nature averted...

OS/2 is a new OS from the ground-up that probably has more in common with the DOS-tans than with 1.0-sama. On the other hand, you can probably get a lot of soap opera drama from OS/2-san's relationship with eComstation-chan. ^__~

Ahhhh, okay.

[C-Chan]

Last stop!!  ^V^

Hah. I'm am Cheetah-san...I can deal with all sorts of perves XD

And if they get fresh, I can always call my good friend..Homeko-sama! I don't think you want me to do that, either...!

Awwwwww.... why couldn't you call Pu-chan instead?  
[lecherously]  Pu-chan can punish me anyday!  ^___^

Ahhhh....the Mainframes may be greatith, but Unix-sama is a Goddess Incarnate.

Now now, let's not get carried away here.  Mainframe-tans are pretty darn godly too, and very HUGE.  @__@

You did read my description of the Mainframe Guild, no?  ^^;

Especially poor Saba-chan O___O

HAHA!!!  That's right, didn't think of that!  ^v^
Plus in Gus-san's thread, we now have an anthromorphic whale after her too.  ^.^

That's how I've always looked at it, if not just for my own sanity with all the different designs O_o

There are three known depictions of Leopard-tan for example, (and I remember you bringing this up), I'd like to think all three of them...The blue-haired Magical Girl, Aurora's (and my fave) teal-haired timetraveler, and the Nijura pink-haired charatcer...are all the same character, perhaps at different times...

If you were cookin' with "FIYA" before, now you be cookin' with Napalm!  ^__^
You hit it right on the spot I've been trying to hammer for months!  ^v^

*awards Bella-san*

That I didn't know O___O

That's a neat story! It's good to hear stuff that OSS is becoming more mainstream

The article itself is a little old, but according to my musician friend, Sterling Ball is still a very strong and successful company, AND is still Linux-based.  ^___^
The companies that adopt this do realize that a lot of that "Total Cost of Ownership" excuse is all BS.

1) Linux doesn't need sophisticated or specialized hardware to run on -- in fact, it can probably operate on whatever your business uses now.

2) And even if you did want to invest in some super server, the previous benefits of a UNIX-based system are still inherited, with the added benefit that the hardware is still cheaper.

3) You need only buy one copy of [say] RedHat Linux and then install that copy throughout the rest of your company.  If you're talking 5,000 computers, that's an immediate savings of 4,999 less copies of the OS (or rather the "license", if you're talking in M$ terms).  Oh yeah, and all the equivalent office products in Linux would be free.  ^__^

4) A lot of the culture-shock associated with Windows is mainly due to the company being too dependent on M$ products to begin with (e.g., Word, Excel).  Otherwise, I myself deal with tons of people who still struggle to understand the concept of "Copy" and "Paste", and whether you give them Microsoft Office or Open Office makes no difference to them.

5) Even if training is still required, you've already saved enough money to train your IT specialists to use Linux (and maybe some of your employees).  Thanks to the more open system, they need only learn it once, and then they can carry themselves through from there (assuming they're GOOD IT specialists to begin with).  Eventually you'll be able to rely less on [say] RedHat's service specialists, and perhaps even attempt to brave your own in-house solutions (customized distros, programs, security, etc.)

I think that, especially being with M$, NT-san would be kept happy and in a state where she doesn't ask questions, and they don't breach the subject of
"bloodlines"

I think, as I said before, VMS-sama would really want to be able to know her daughter...but this is pretty unrealistic for her : /

Yeah,... all of a sudden, the OS world is beginning to look more and more harsh.  'v'
Then again,... so is the RL equivalent.  ^.^;

Only if you got watch Fullmetal Alchemist

*Oh, Wikipe-tan!*

*reads outline*

"Men and women are separated"....

*Puts 2 + 2 together*

O___O Methinks I know where this is going

Okay, that makes a little sense...kinda...?

It's a bit more graphic than that, but yeah sorta.  ^__^
Anyway, I'd hate to have you watch Vandread (since in retrospect it wasn't really that good a series,... unless you're a Star Trek Voyager fan), but I reckon I will have to watch Fullmetal Alchemist eventually.  Just to find out what the heck you're all talkin' about.  ^^'

*scary whispery voice*

But this is M$ we're talking about...they dabble in the kind of Technical Dark Arts which us mere mortals can only imagine in our darkest nightmares...Heed me well, they hatch the sort of diabolical schemes that makes Dr. Frankenstein's monster look like a kid's school project!

*ticks*

*twitches*

*VMS-sama stares at me*

What can I say? She takes after her mother!

*knife whizzes by head*

Well,... in fairness to you're conspiracies,... ME-chan is technically one of those Franken-tans.
After all,... a fusion of old Windows and the NT-base.... instant abomination!  [no wonder it crashes a lot...]  @___@

Yeah, I'm keeping VMS-sama as she is. Just, I don't want them to be indentical

Well there's an easy solution.  ^__^
Just have her wear a mask.

I originally planned to have her wear a mask when in public, just so no one will be able to recognize her.  (reasons are four-fold:  1) to avoid anyone spotting any similarities to NT-san, 2) to hide her shame of working with HP,  3) to serve as a convenient breathing apparatus for when she swims with her sharkies, and 4) just to look like the cool leader of the CIOST.

In fact, referring to my original inspiration for VMS (Freesia Yagyu), I kinda imagine that a fight between her and her younger/nimbler daughter would kinda look something like this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcTJqRqjlmQ

Fufufu.... ^.^

[Bella]

Awwwwww.... why couldn't you call Pu-chan instead?
[lecherously] Pu-chan can punish me anyday! ^___^

Cause we weirdos stick together ;006 J/K

Now now, let's not get carried away here. Mainframe-tans are pretty darn godly too, and very HUGE. @__@

You did read my description of the Mainframe Guild, no? ^^;

Oh yes, but how many Linuxes, BSDs, OS Xs and other Nixes hath the mainframes providith us?

HAHA!!! That's right, didn't think of that! ^v^
Plus in Gus-san's thread, we now have an anthromorphic whale after her too. ^.^

*starts whistling "Under the Sea"...*

If you were cookin' with "FIYA" before, now you be cookin' with Napalm! ^__^
You hit it right on the spot I've been trying to hammer for months! ^v^

*awards Bella-san*

That's the convenient thing about Leopard-chan...no rendition left behind XD

It's a bit more graphic than that, but yeah sorta. ^__^
Anyway, I'd hate to have you watch Vandread (since in retrospect it wasn't really that good a series,... unless you're a Star Trek Voyager fan), but I reckon I will have to watch Fullmetal Alchemist eventually. Just to find out what the heck you're all talkin' about. ^^'

*Uh oh...*

*tick*

*tick*

*twitch*

I gotta get that *tick* looked at O__o

Yes, go watch FMA It's only graphic if you dislike blood, some gore, man-monsters, crazed eating machines and the occasional blasphemer...

Well,... in fairness to you're conspiracies,... ME-chan is technically one of those Franken-tans.
After all,... a fusion of old Windows and the NT-base.... instant abomination! [no wonder it crashes a lot...] @___@

Hmmm...I always though ME was pure 9x Windows...

I know XP has some ME features included, but is almost all NT....THANK GOD!!!!

Well there's an easy solution. ^__^
Just have her wear a mask.

I originally planned to have her wear a mask when in public, just so no one will be able to recognize her. (reasons are four-fold: 1) to avoid anyone spotting any similarities to NT-san, 2) to hide her shame of working with HP, 3) to serve as a convenient breathing apparatus for when she swims with her sharkies, and 4) just to look like the cool leader of the CIOST.

Ahaha! We have come back to V for VMS, eh?

In fact, referring to my original inspiration for VMS (Freesia Yagyu), I kinda imagine that a fight between her and her younger/nimbler daughter would kinda look something like this:

....I supposed that dude with the glasses is Dave Cutler....?

Even though I think VMS-sama would hate NT-san on every conscious level, I still see her as sorta not giving her all when battling NT-san, as if she's afraid to injure who is in all likelihood the only carrier of her bloodline...NT, of course, has no attachment to this VMS-sama and would, at least try, to fight with as much gusto as she can...

*Somewhere, a kingdom of melodrama is missing their Queen*

In case you're starting to tire of hashing over details of VMS and co., I've been wondering about a new group...the Unix successors! Like Plan 9 and Inferno.

[C-Chan]

Oh yes, but how many Linuxes, BSDs, OS Xs and other Nixes hath the mainframes providith us?

Um,.... well technically all of them.... '___'
Information, transport, and lots of other daily essentials won't flow without supercomputers.  ^_____^'

Oh, and there's Z/OS-sama,... currently THE - MOST - POWERFUL OS-tan (at least as far as gross power is concerned), who shares her roots with both MVS and UNIX, and is also well versed in the Linux craft (Linux on Z/Series).

She sounds cool beyond belief, and certainly has the power, size and war goddess attire to command respect.  Unfortunately she's also horrifically arrogant, spartan to a fault and exceedingly boring, so you'd likely never see her at all (outside of tormenting other Mainframe-tans).

Yes, go watch FMA  It's only graphic if you dislike blood, some gore, man-monsters, crazed eating machines and the occasional blasphemer...

Hey now,... if I can get through Hellsing and Elfen Lied (and Excel Saga for crazy eating), I can get through anything.  Besides, my only concern with any Anime is that there be a cute and/or cool female character that I can watch.  ^___^

Hellsing without Seras would be boring.  -__-

Stuff like Fist[ing] the North Star is just plain torture for C-chan.  T__T'

....I supposed that dude with the glasses is Dave Cutler....?

Gaaah? TvT'

................Um,.... ah.... no.... ^__^'

Even though I think VMS-sama would hate NT-san on every conscious level, I still see her as sorta not giving her all when battling NT-san, as if she's afraid to injure who is in all likelihood the only carrier of her bloodline...NT, of course, has no attachment to this VMS-sama and would, at least try, to fight with as much gusto as she can...

So now actual comments about that awesome fight scene?  Very well choreographed (if a little too far-fetched, but then it is an Action Comedy series).... ^^;

In any event, the point is two-fold:

1)  They'd look really cool fighting (although only in VMS-sama's younger days would she have used the lighter DEC sword -- now she uses that nasty-looking cleaver, although she's still very fast with it).  

2)  VMS-sama COULD look cool with that kind of half-mask on (hell as I would suggest giving her a full-faced one... ^__^).

So what says the Bella one?  ^.^

In case you're starting to tire of hashing over details of VMS and co., I've been wondering about a new group...the Unix successors! Like Plan 9 and Inferno.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah,.... The User Space Gang.  ^___^
I had nearly forgotten about those adorable renegades.  ^v^

I could talk about them, but I am really dying to draw them all instead first.  ^.^

How about giving me two days or so, and I'll see if I can devise some quick micro-sketches to better explain my points (like I did with UNIX-sama).  ^__^

Even though Plan 9-tan is the leader, it's really Inferno-chan and FreeBSD-san that steal the spotlight with their overly-extroverted personalities.  ^v^

Much fun awaits you here -- perhaps too much for a young lass such as yourself seeking drama and melancholy!  Â¯v¯

[Bella]

Um,.... well technically all of them.... '___'
Information, transport, and lots of other daily essentials won't flow without supercomputers. ^_____^'

Oh, and there's Z/OS-sama,... currently THE - MOST - POWERFUL OS-tan (at least as far as gross power is concerned), who shares her roots with both MVS and UNIX, and is also well versed in the Linux craft (Linux on Z/Series)

I stand corrected

She sounds cool beyond belief, and certainly has the power, size and war goddess attire to command respect. Unfortunately she's also horrifically arrogant, spartan to a fault and exceedingly boring, so you'd likely never see her at all (outside of tormenting other Mainframe-tans).

Ahhha! That's why I'm no big fan XD

Besides, my only concern with any Anime is that there be a cute and/or cool female character that I can watch. ^___^

That's how I kinda am. I hate shows (anime or not) with no powerful female lead characters...

So now actual comments about that awesome fight scene? Very well choreographed (if a little too far-fetched, but then it is an Action Comedy series).... ^^;

I thought that it was really great! Like you said, it was a bit out there...

1) They'd look really cool fighting (although only in VMS-sama's younger days would she have used the lighter DEC sword -- now she uses that nasty-looking cleaver, although she's still very fast with it).

2) VMS-sama COULD look cool with that kind of half-mask on (hell as I would suggest giving her a full-faced one... ^__^).

So what says the Bella one? ^.^

I think it's a great idea! As for the full face mask, I would kinda like some of her face to be showing...

I could talk about them, but I am really dying to draw them all instead first. ^.^

How about giving me two days or so, and I'll see if I can devise some quick micro-sketches to better explain my points (like I did with UNIX-sama). ^__^

I actually did a concept sketch for Inferno-tan, I'll have to post that

Much fun awaits you here -- perhaps too much for a young lass such as yourself seeking drama and melancholy! ¯v¯

Oh, I also do fun! I'm multi-talented XD

[C-Chan]

I think it's a great idea! As for the full face mask, I would kinda like some of her face to be showing...

Well yeah, me too.  A full face mask would be a waste on someone of her looks, wouldn't it?  ^^;

I actually did a concept sketch for Inferno-tan, I'll have to post that

Ah great!  That'll help me a lot since typical C-chan silliness assumed that I could get the whole cast drawn within a few hours, when I've only barely managed to whip out a half-sketched FreeBSD-tan.  ^^;

Bottom line is:  Inferno-chan should be very young and very cute, yet very powerful and yet very naive.  ^^;
I kinda always pictured her as a Piyoko type (from the Di Gi Charat series).  

Also figured I'd drop in a quick status update on my rendition of FreeBSD-tan -- as you can see, only the head and hair is halfway done:



Could use some fashion ideas.  ^^
The burgundy body suit I only added so that she wouldn't look nude.  ^^;

Originally opted for a trident, but switched to an energy flail instead (which can be hardened into a trident, but she usually prefers the flexibility of its current form).  

Will talk a little more about her later.  ^^

[Aurora Borealis]

Even if it is only half-sketched, that FreeBSD-tan looks fantastic!

As for fashion ideas, I don't really know! I'm not too good at designing outfits. I thought that adding green+white shoes would be good because the BSD devil mascot wears some. And wearing spiked bracelets as a reference to the yellow spiky-haired BSD-tan.

[C-Chan]

Oh nononono, my dear Aurora-dono.  ^___^
The yellow spiky-haired BSD-tan is OpenBSD -- in other words, FreeBSD-tan's sister.  She'll be drawn separately, along with NetBSD -- they make something of a Tantalizing Trio....  ^>^

(Note: PC-BSD and Desktop-BSD don't live with them, so they're not included... -v-)

In any event, thank you Aurora-dono.  ^___^
I have to fix her up soon, though, as she still lacks the level of "moe" I'm aiming for.

[Aurora Borealis]

D'OH! STUPID ME! I forgot that! >__<