Linux

[C-Chan]

Well, I've returned with one less LiveCD than I started with, so I suppose it was a success.
I can't say it was flawless, since when we first tried to boot, it failed to mount loopfs, and dropped me into a limited shell (Forgot how limited those things are ^^'). Investigator-san laughed, but it was resolved semi-quickly and we continued on.

Hmm,... they say 3rd time's a charm, but this is ridiculous.  If the same problem happens in 3 very different systems,...  Well, let me just read on first....  -v-

First Impressions?
Well, I think it's even more Mac-esque than Zenwalk was. I like the dock-like-thing, though I'm used to Mac Dock, so I expected the apps to bounce ^^'

They would if this were KDE, I'm sure.  ^__^
It alreaddy has those cute baby bouncing icons that appear by the mouse cursor,... course, not sure sure if the extra eyecandy is worth the bloat.... ^.^;

Beryl looks really nifty, though it crashed a few times on us (His computer specs are lame!)

Yep, lame specs might do that with an alpha desktop decorator.  Usually Compiz is better in such circumstances, although granted its eyecandy is equally lame.  -.-'

I didn't get much time to really peruse the OS, since Investigator-san decided to grab the controls at this point and dismiss me ^^'
He needs to set up a swapfile, but oh well. I'll have to do that later

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!  ^V^
Does that mean he liked it so much, he sent you packing so he could play with it?!!  

That's hilarious!  ^v^

Reminds me of how I was the first time I fired up SAM-chan.  ^^
Hopefully, he won't spend an hour and a half on Frozen Bubble too....  ^___^;

Now to figure out why it doesn't work on my computers, ne? I want to get it on my Core2Duo and see it's true power! ^o^

Back to what I was saying earlier.

The last time something like this happened to me was when I had actual physical problems reading the CD, in which case KNOPPIX (of all LiveCDs!) only randomly worked some times and in others simply hung on boot and gave me -- surprise surprise -- a limited shell!  But in that circumstance, I knew the CD-ROM drive was bad.

Here I reckon the actual burn may be bad or the physical CD has issues.  -v-
That could explain the fact that it doesn't necessarily boot-up properly, and when it does you have usability issues (since it can't decompress all the requested files).  

Fortunately, I've heard through hidden channels that you'll try with PCLOS, and given that's a very similar system, it's essentially almost like burning a new CD.  ^^

Just to keep with the experiment, though, I'd recommend burning copies from two different systems.  -.-

I checked and it appears like you CAN run PCLOS (and by association, SAM) on Mactels,... so if at any moment it fails, we must consider this a problem with the CD by default.  ^^

eh? The version I was using had it (under "System" in the menu, I think)

Aa sou?  It's been a while, so I forgot.  I know for sure that PCLOS doesn't, so guess Nico-san's thinking is en par with mine.... ^__^

That's the good thing about LiveCDS,... if you want something changed, you can always create your own....  ^.^

Added after 2 hours 13 minutes:

BTW, a nice article which may interest you about one of PCLOS' highlights....  ^__^

http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/191-PCLinuxOS-What-Sets-it-Apart-Part-I.html

Also applies to SAM to a certain degree (although there are fewer options in SAM).

[Tsubashi]

Hmm,... they say 3rd time's a charm, but this is ridiculous. If the same problem happens in 3 very different systems,... Well, let me just read on first.... -v-

Well, same problem on two systems, and another weird one later ^__^
I'm just glad it worked, since Investigator-san is still a bit shaky on wanting to switch to linux; a catastrophic error wouldn't help much! ^^'

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! ^V^
Does that mean he liked it so much, he sent you packing so he could play with it?!!

Yeah, it was funny to see. He loved Beryl, and since he only has Win ME on all his computers (Don't ask me why) the fact that it crashed more than it should have didn't seem to bug him at all! ^v^
Hopefully he will like it enough to have me install it. (And maybe buy some more RAM ^^')



As for the SAM issue, I did verify the disk after burning, but who knows. Right now I'm burning four more copies on different computers (Both Mac and PC) from fresh downloads. I figure if they work, I'll just distribute them! ^__^
It seems a good explanation, though. Hopefully it works.

I checked and it appears like you CAN run PCLOS (and by association, SAM) on Mactels,... so if at any moment it fails, we must consider this a problem with the CD by default. ^^

I figured, since I have only had problems with one other Linux Distro on my MacTel, and that was my fault for modifying the NVRAM ^^'

Okay, while I wait for those CDs, I'm going to try booting into PCLOS! Wish me luck!

[C-Chan]

*prays to the Penguin God*

[sing-song]  I - wish - you - Good - Fortune! ^v^  

Kinda glad then that his first exposure to Linux was SAM, since it's such a FUN distribution (the number of games + Beryl + Dock + Desktop Widgets is a good indicator).  ^.^

If he would've started out with SUSE like I did, he'd turn off it in a snap.  -.-;

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BTW, I'm starting to get jealous that everyone can use SAM-chan with Beryl on their LiveCDs while I can't.  
ひどã,,です！！ ^___^;

*kicks Acer*

[Tsubashi]

Well, that was surprisingly simple!
After having SAM fail, I was expecting PCLOS to be a bit more problematic, but everything performed nicely!
It looks quite nifty, I'll have to play around with it a bit more.
Now to try SAM...
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Except I need to be at work now. -.-'
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*Mischievous grin*
Boss-sama is out of town... He has a nice computer... ^V^

[C-Chan]

WAHOO!!!!!!!!  ^0^
HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!  ^V^
PRAISE THE PIG!!!!!!  ^.^

My prayers have been answered!!  
Thank ye, O Great Penguin God!!!  ^o^



Okay, so we have PCLOS on a Mac,... excellent, marvelous and chock full of Ultimate Sugoiness....  ^.^

That's one down, one more to go.  ^v^
(Just hope you know what you're doing,... don't want to encourage an action that can get you into trouble.... TT;)

PCLOS isn't as "fun" as SAM because it's marketed as a clean, professional desktop alternative.  However, you can still add a lot of what's already in SAM after the fact including Desktop widgets, naturally, and some kooky crazy Docks... http://pimpyourlinux.com/linux-feature-review/top-5-os-x-style-dock-replacements-for-linux/)

Am I right to assume that Beryl isn't enabled by default, or is this just another thing that I can't see due to unfortunate circumstances and crappy computers?  ^____^;

Do check out the Control Center later, as someone of your trade could easily tell me how useful it really is from a System's perspective.  ^.^

Added after 1 hours 39 minutes:

BTW, a bit off the Tsubashi Escapade Topic, but this looks like something interesting for Windows users who still want to try out Linux without risks...  ^^

http://wubi-installer.org/index.php

Certainly a lot easier (and cheaper) than running VMware I bet, though unfortunately they chose Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu (which would appeal a lot more to XP users)....  -v-

[Bella]

zomg cute penguin!

And congrats on getting everything up-and-running!

[Tsubashi]

(Just hope you know what you're doing,... don't want to encourage an action that can get you into trouble.... TT;)

Yeah, umm... there is an interesting story to that one.
So apparently Boss-sama's trip ended abruptly, and he walked in right about the time I started showing Beryl off to my co-workers...
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I got kicked off the computer again ^^'
That and I don't have anymore liveCDs again (Many people liked Beryl) ^.^'

On the plus side, it ran flawlessly. Nothing froze, no limited shells, it was great!
Plus I can see Beryl's true power! Half the features didn't work on Investegator-san's computer; I'm going to need to burn a new CD for him!

I can see why you two have advocated it so heavily! It really deserves it!

Am I right to assume that Beryl isn't enabled by default, or is this just another thing that I can't see due to unfortunate circumstances and crappy computers? ^____^;

I don't think it is; it wasn't for me. You have to start it from the the "system" menu, I think...

Do check out the Control Center later, as someone of your trade could easily tell me how useful it really is from a System's perspective. ^.^

Heehee, will do. I tried on Investegator-san's, but it refused to launch ^^'
Still, from what I've read, it looks useful!


As for Wubi...
Maybe it's just me, but I would feel safer doing it myself. Then again, for someone new to the whole 'Linux thing' I can see how this might help them ease into it
Though according to the FAQ, one would pick which version to install:

What flavor of Ubuntu will I get?
Most flavors, including Ubuntu (default, with GNOME), Kubuntu (with KDE), Xubuntu (with XFCE for older computers), and UbuntuStudio (for multimedia workstations).

[C-Chan]

Yeah, umm... there is an interesting story to that one.
So apparently Boss-sama's trip ended abruptly, and he walked in right about the time I started showing Beryl off to my co-workers...
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I got kicked off the computer again ^^'

*pulls out paper fan*

*THWACK!!!*

Sorry, had to expand my duties as a Wiki Mod there for a second.  -v-

Fortunately, Boss-sama seems like a cool fellow if all he did was just kick you outta there (not minding the potential security risk and perceived destruction of property).  

But still, please do that in your own machine next time....  Â¬__¬'

That and I don't have anymore liveCDs again (Many people liked Beryl) ^.^'

Wow!!!  You too?!  ^__^
I've been something of a LiveCD factory myself,... makes me want to charge people for the expenditure of plastic....  -.-'

But that's awesome to hear!  Thank you for spreading the cause!  ^__^
Now if maybe you can also lead them to Distrowatch to,... uh,...... learn............. more info.... about SAM............ um,..... that'd be great....  ^.^;

On the plus side, it ran flawlessly. Nothing froze, no limited shells, it was great!
Plus I can see Beryl's true power! Half the features didn't work on Investegator-san's computer; I'm going to need to burn a new CD for him!

I can see why you two have advocated it so heavily! It really deserves it!

Ah, so it's quite possible that the CD might've been at fault then.  That's a relief.  ^.^
In any event, yeah, a flawless SAM is a normal SAM!! ^v^

Hopefully you also got a chance to demo the games before being kicked out.  If not there's always later (or maybe your buddies are doing that as we speak)... -v-

I don't think it is; it wasn't for me. You have to start it from the the "system" menu, I think...

I actually tried SAM in my last untouched computer,... my 2ghz P4 VPR Matrix.  It's a bit old, but has a Geforce 6600 that I added to it last year.  Regardless, Beryl still wouldn't initiate.  ;__;

Now I'm starting to suspect that perhaps you too downloaded SAM 2007 TR1 (which already has proprietary video drivers preinstalled...)  ^.^'

Can't say for sure, but I'll try it out myself shortly.  ^___^

Heehee, will do. I tried on Investegator-san's, but it refused to launch ^^'
Still, from what I've read, it looks useful!

More evidence that the CD was "funktified", cause the PCC is FAR from experimental.... ^.^;
Boy he must've REALLy been used to Windows ME to not mind all the oddities....  ^__^

As for Wubi...
Maybe it's just me, but I would feel safer doing it myself. Then again, for someone new to the whole 'Linux thing' I can see how this might help them ease into it

Right, I agree.  ^^

Though according to the FAQ, one would pick which version to install:

Whoops, you're right, my bad. ^^

No Edubuntu, though,... that's odd.  '__'

[Tsubashi]

Fortunately, Boss-sama seems like a cool fellow if all he did was just kick you outta there (not minding the potential security risk and perceived destruction of property).

Anno...
Gomen nasai, I guess I wasn't clear. I said 'again' to link it to the similar experience at Investegator-sans. Boss-sama thought it was Vista at first. ^^'
He is a really nice fellow, though. I don't think he would have had a problem with it even if he didn't think it was cool ^__^
Consequentially, he was one of the LiveCD recipients ^_^

Hopefully you also got a chance to demo the games before being kicked out. If not there's always later (or maybe your buddies are doing that as we speak)... -v-

I actually just got home from helping one of them set up their computer (They couldn't get it to boot from CD). Their graphics card was below par, so they were a little disappointed when Beryl wouldn't work, but after I took them on a little tour of the OS, they got stuck playing games. "Beats the [heck] out of Windows games!" he said ^__^

[C-Chan]

Boss-sama thought it was Vista at first.

Their graphics card was below par, so they were a little disappointed when Beryl wouldn't work, but after I took them on a little tour of the OS, they got stuck playing games. "Beats the [heck] out of Windows games!" he said ^__^

Thank you, Tsubashi-dono.....

I can... die in peace now....  ^___^

*swoons*

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*swoons again for good measure*

[Tsubashi]

Very good Happy news!
Now that I have finally burned a new SAM LiveCD (that I am not giving away ), I tested it out on Sazaki.
Amazing-desu!
While not quite the shock of the 'first boot' it was quite impressive compared to running it on all the not-quite-outdated-yet PC's.
Boot up time was surprisingly fast, and Beryl operated flawlessly.
Ahhh, I do believe Sazaki-chan has found a new friend. I think I'll load SAM-chan onto my HD, to impress friends!

I'm glad it was just the CD, though! It's probably also a good thing you mentioned it, senpai, I would have, most likely, figured it was a hardware error and tried to fix it that way. Might have taken me a while, ne? ^^'
Arigatou Gozaimasu!

[C-Chan]

Oh shoot, found some mystery text from Bella-san!  ^__^;
(ya gotta remember to advertise your posts more.... ^.^)

Actually, on "shutdown" it doesn't shut down...but I press the power button, and K8 hibernates.

Question, have you used that little Red Power button in the lower right hand side?  I've noticed that once in a while on the LiveCD, the Shutdown selection on the Start Menu won't exactly cooperate (fairly hit or miss).  But the one on the side works all the time.

Otherwise, there's always Terminal command "sudo shutdown -h now" (or "-r now" for restart).  ^^'

I spoke too soon. K8 does boot onto the CD by default O__o

Aa sou,... Okay, you're good then.  ^^'
Still curious to see if it can boot from the external HD first.  -v-

Bwah!
My friend: "Whoa! get it to spin again!"
Me: "30-some-year Unix heritage, top-notch virus offense and open source architecture and this is your favorite feature?"

My favorite window feature is the magic fire @__@

Fufu,... on Xubuntu, I've got Beryl alternating Close animations, so I get lots of different styles including magic fire.  ^.^
But if their response is "Unix wha?", don't feel so bad.  There's a first time for everything....  ^v^'

eMachines may not be built particularly well, but they Bygod get things done!

*jots down name of Graphics Card*

'Kay, I'll see about going shopping again,... hopefully, though, your card is silent.  ^^
Last one I tried was a Nvidia 7200GT, and that one (while it sorta worked) had such an irritatingly loud and whiny fan that it literally gave me a headache.  @____@'

Okay, now quickly on to the Tsub...  ^__^

Now that I have finally burned a new SAM LiveCD (that I am not giving away ), I tested it out on Sazaki.
Amazing-desu!

I forget... Sazaki-san is still your Mactel?  ^^'

While not quite the shock of the 'first boot' it was quite impressive compared to running it on all the not-quite-outdated-yet PC's.
Boot up time was surprisingly fast, and Beryl operated flawlessly.

Yeah, not sure what these guys do, but KDE and Xfce run surprisingly fast on PCLOS and SAM respectively compared to other distros I've used (including Xubuntu).  Could it be that the secret may very well be in the sauce?  ^.^'

I'm glad it was just the CD, though! It's probably also a good thing you mentioned it, senpai, I would have, most likely, figured it was a hardware error and tried to fix it that way. Might have taken me a while, ne? ^^'

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah yeah....  ^^'
Especially if it's the Mactels, I've always wondered how dangerous it would be to pop open one of those things and fool around with the innards (on the other hand, I'm thinking of the iMacs -- you likely have one of those towers).  ^v^'

Ahhh, I do believe Sazaki-chan has found a new friend. I think I'll load SAM-chan onto my HD, to impress friends!

Sugoi!  ^v^

At the risk of sounding redundant, I think I can die in peace now....  ^.^

*swoons with pride*

[Tsubashi]

Question, have you used that little Red Power button in the lower right hand side? I've noticed that once in a while on the LiveCD, the Shutdown selection on the Start Menu won't exactly cooperate (fairly hit or miss). But the one on the side works all the time.

Shutting down on Sazaki-chan is interesting. It seems to work fine, until we get to the whole "Ejecting Media" bit. CD comes out, and... the system freezes up. Not too bad, since the system is pretty much all packed up by now, but annoying if I have to be somewhere else. ^^'

Otherwise, there's always Terminal command "sudo shutdown -h now" (or "-r now" for restart). ^^'

Well, don't forget that on the liveCD, guest is not allowed to run that command. You will want to use the root terminal or su - first. ^.^
Trust me, I've tried ^^'

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah yeah.... ^^'
Especially if it's the Mactels, I've always wondered how dangerous it would be to pop open one of those things and fool around with the innards (on the other hand, I'm thinking of the iMacs -- you likely have one of those towers). ^v^'

It true, I do have a few Mac towers, but they are all PPC. Sazaki-chan is actually my cute little Mac mini. While not a common occurance by any means, I've pulled her cover off a few times, either for recovery or upgrades. They are quite amazing, really. All the Hardware packed into such a tiny space, it's rather impressive!
The iMacs are a bit more... hm hm... tricky. Since it's all built around the screen, you have to be careful not to slip. Though, my least favorite ever is the iMac G5's. Goodness, those things are impossible to do anything with. Cool looking, but least expandable Mac ever!

[C-Chan]

Shutting down on Sazaki-chan is interesting. It seems to work fine, until we get to the whole "Ejecting Media" bit. CD comes out, and... the system freezes up. Not too bad, since the system is pretty much all packed up by now, but annoying if I have to be somewhere else. ^^'

Aa sou, that's the small boggle I mentioned earlier.  Seems to affect SAM more than PCLOS for some odd reason (and naturally is only relevant if you're in a LiveCD session).  '_'

There's a trick to getting it to shutdown/restart properly, but I've forgotten.  I think CTRL+ALT+F7 shakes up the CLI a bit to get it to finish, but I could be mistaken.  -.-

Well, don't forget that on the liveCD, guest is not allowed to run that command. You will want to use the root terminal or su - first. ^.^
Trust me, I've tried ^^'

Aa sou x2,... Nico-san's preference of not supplying a Root login strikes me as odd, but to each his own.  ^^
Very well, Bella-san, do as the Tsub says then.  -v-

It true, I do have a few Mac towers, but they are all PPC. Sazaki-chan is actually my cute little Mac mini. While not a common occurance by any means, I've pulled her cover off a few times, either for recovery or upgrades. They are quite amazing, really. All the Hardware packed into such a tiny space, it's rather impressive!
The iMacs are a bit more... hm hm... tricky. Since it's all built around the screen, you have to be careful not to slip. Though, my least favorite ever is the iMac G5's. Goodness, those things are impossible to do anything with. Cool looking, but least expandable Mac ever!

Aa sou x "I've-lost-count".... yeah the Mac minis are very sweet, and (thanks to Alfamille's persuasion) may be my target Mac (especially now that I've versed in KVM technology).  I still would prefer a Tablet Mac, though I reckon we won't see one for a while still....  -.-'

Speaking of building a computer (albeit a very unexpandable one) inside an LCD monitor, these warrant some WTF moments.... ^_____^;

http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2207764040.html
http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2538678660.html
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2074968441.html
http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5369590807.html

[Xeon]

*Walks into unknown territory*

Anyways my cousins computer broke because of his little brother *who tried to format it but destroyed the os and the cd* and he said he was gonna try linux.but Before he does something stupid *which happens a lot* i said i should ask a talking piggy and a vampire for help ^_^ since i know squat about linux   .

So i was hoping you guys can recommend a good Linux thats possibly Idiot Proof and has some good free games he could play and able to run on his crappy computer and good for a person with no knowledge of linux what so ever :3.

And maybe you guys can also recommend me a Linux. a linux purely for work  *since i run my games on windows* able to run photoshop, 3d cinema, C++, flash and possibly others.

I appreciate the help ^_^

*Slowly backs away then runs*