Linux

[C-Chan]

Huh,... that's weird,... it almost looks as if Hacchan were installed in a logical partition rather than on the primary one with 6 gigs.  '___';

Normally I'd suggest just taking a piece off that empty 6 gig partition.  However, since I rather keep the swap partition at the very end of the disk, my advise would be to free up 300MBs off the remaining 898.54 MBs on the third partition (HDA5).

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Don't forget, http://partedmagic.com/docs/gparted.html has very detailed instructions on how to use GParted, even though this particular operation is a pretty simple one.

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Incidentally, if Parted Magic hung in normal mode due to the low RAM, then at least we know now what would've happened if you had tried Puppy/SAM/PCLinuxOS without a swap.....  ^^;

[Bella]

Do as it says here?

http://partedmagic.com/docs/gparted.html

I've already brought up resize/move for /dev/hda5

So, take 300 MB off...does that mean type "1309" instead of "1609" in the menu next to New Size (MiB)?

[C-Chan]

Well not verbatim, but yes the instructions cover the basics of operating the program.  Just use the spin button to decrease the size of the partition -- you'll notice that the smaller it gets, the more "grey space" appears after it.  This is unallocated hard drive space, which you will use to create a new partition formatted as "Linux-Swap"

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Remember, JUST create the Linux-Swap for now.  Later on we can worry about chopping up your hard drive into convenient sections.  ^__^

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So, take 300 MB off...does that mean type "1309" instead of "1609" in the menu next to New Size (MiB)?

Correct.  you'll also notice that "Free Space Following" will increase from 0 to 300.  That's the amount of unallocated hard drive space you're creating, which you'll use to create your swap partition.  ^__^

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Oh yeah, and since you are resizing the partition, it might take a few minutes.  1.38 gigs is not a lot of space, but factor in the slower processor and small RAM, and that slows things down a notch.  -v-'

[Bella]

Okay, it now says new size 1310 (since I just slid it), free space following 299. Now press resize/move, I guess.

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A bar on the bottom of the window just popped up. It reads move /dev/hda5 to the left and shrink it from 1.57 GiB to 1.28.

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Now it's applying.

[C-Chan]

Well no, I think that just brings you back to the same menu.

If you already hit "Apply", then the partition has been created and you can go ahead with pressing the gray area and clicking "New".

Otherwise, if you have not clicked "Apply", do so now so that the 299MBs split is created.

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Now it's applying.

Okay cool, now its resizing.  ^^

Give it a few minutes, and when you're done just do as I said before to format the new 300MB partition.  That one won't take long to format since it's an empty partition.

[Bella]

it says all operations successfully completed.

save details or close.

[C-Chan]

Just close is fine.  ^__^
No go ahead and create your Linux-Swap.  ^v^

[Bella]

It's now scanning all devices...

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And now it seems kinda frozen : \

[C-Chan]

Eh just give it some time to snap out of it.  Remember that it's not really working with a lot of resources here.  ^.^

The partition has been created in any event, so it's not like you couldn't just restart if the freeze state lasts indefinitely.


In any event, I'm sorry to leave you during your moment of triumph, but I sorta have to commute now.  ^^;
But since the hardest part is over, I think you can manage with Puppy-chan.  After all, it'll be a good test to see just how user-friendly she is.  ^__^

I'll be back in about an hour or so.  -v-

[Bella]

Puppy's up and running

First impressions: I find it very easy to use, the desktop is actually uncannily like 98, lol! It's surprisingly fast, too. I just wish it was connected to the internet, but I don't have any ISP (as I use DSL/WiFi).

I guess I'm not the pinnacle of misfortune; maybe I'm more like the pinnacle of misunderstanding, XD

[C-Chan]

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I'VE SO HAPPY FOR YOU, BELLA-SAMA!!!!!!!!  ^V^

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*fanfare*

I know it was a lot of work, but to see the finished product working perfectly despite the age of the system certainly must give you a terrific sense of accomplishment.  Breathe that in, cause that's the spirit of GNU....  ^___^

I knew Puppy was fast enough that you could almost forget that it's a LiveCD, but I expected only standard performance on an old computer with 64megs .  Guess that giant swap partition helps a lot,... even though it's more like emergency RAM, I'm sure there's more than enough to compensate.  ^v^

I guess first things first.... right click on the Hacchanesque desktop, highlight the desktop submenu, and select whatever option looks like the Wallpaper setting.  Then just select a picture with a puppy in it and click "Stretch" to apply it.  

There, now Puppy-chan lives up to her namesake.  ^___^

Second order of business....

Connect your external HD, wait a few seconds, and then click on the "Mount" icon in the desktop (looks like a USB key).  With any luck, the external HD should be available to mount, if so just click on the red (or green) icon to open the file manager.  Likewise, click on the icon reading "SDA5" to open up Hacchan's directory.  Put 2 and 2 together, and you'll know what to do from there....  ^v^

Third order of business..... well it sounds to me like you have wireless internet, which I won't be able to help you with since I don't use wireless anything.  -v-

However, my guess would be that you could find some kind of wifi adapter (maybe USB, though not sure if they make them...) and see if Puppy could use it to connect to your system.  But that's as far as I can go with that before I really start sounding like a wannabe.  For all stuff like that, you're better off immersing yourself in the documentation... -v-;

On the other hand, if you do have the option to make a wired connection to your router somehow, let me know.  Cause Linux without internet is like a hot dog with just the bun....  ^___^'

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BTW, just in case you start suffering from XP withdrawal, know that you can eventually get Puppy-chan to look like this....



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Ah yes, don't forget to take the Puppy "Tour"....  ^___^;

http://www.zen45800.zen.co.uk/puppy3/second.htm

[Bella]

Connect your external HD, wait a few seconds, and then click on the "Mount" icon in the desktop (looks like a USB key). With any luck, the external HD should be available to mount, if so just click on the red (or green) icon to open the file manager. Likewise, click on the icon reading "SDA5" to open up Hacchan's directory. Put 2 and 2 together, and you'll know what to do from there.... ^v^

It doesn't connect to the external HD; I thought about how I could transfer any files to Puppy, seeing as the floppy/CDR drives are both in use. But, I found I can transfer stuff to Hacchan using a CDR, then transfer it to Puppy (after reading what you said).

However, my guess would be that you could find some kind of wifi adapter (maybe USB, though not sure if they make them...) and see if Puppy could use it to connect to your system. But that's as far as I can go with that before I really start sounding like a wannabe. For all stuff like that, you're better off immersing yourself in the documentation... -v-;

On the other hand, if you do have the option to make a wired connection to your router somehow, let me know. Cause Linux without internet is like a hot dog with just the bun.... ^___^'

Hmmm...I don't know if the compaq even has a capability for DSL...

BTW, just in case you start suffering from XP withdrawal, know that you can eventually get Puppy-chan to look like this....

Let me guess...is that a different desktop environment? Pretty, whatever it is. Speaking of which, do you have any ideas as to how I can get these themes to work:

http://www.hayber.us/rox/themes/

Ah yes, don't forget to take the Puppy "Tour".... ^___^;

http://www.zen45800.zen.co.uk/puppy3/second.htm

Thanks for the link! Actually, the thing I keep forgetting is NOT to double click, XD Windows keep popping up in double, heehee.

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I guess this is my computer now:

http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-792

XD

[C-Chan]

It doesn't connect to the external HD; I thought about how I could transfer any files to Puppy, seeing as the floppy/CDR drives are both in use. But, I found I can transfer stuff to Hacchan using a CDR, then transfer it to Puppy (after reading what you said).

Well the floppy can be removed of course (not that it matters).  But yes, transferring stuff to Puppy when the LiveCD is occupied will be a bit of a pain given that the file is still in use.

In any event, let's handle this thing with your external HD, since that sounds strange.  -v-

There are two things you can do with that thing plugged in,... one is to go to Shutdown>Restart JWM, and see if that refreshes the mount screen.

The other is to just restart Puppy and see if it mounts.  You'll notice on the Pmount Puppy Drive Mounter screen that something like your external hard drive should appear as something like:  Disk /dev/sdb/ and then the drive size.  Incidentally, you're able to view all the other drive partitions on this screen.

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Hmmm...I don't know if the compaq even has a capability for DSL...

That shouldn't be a problem if you have a DSL router with the OPTION of using ethernet cables (some wirless routers have at least one ethernet port).  Check to see if your Compaq (we'll call it "HaPup" going forward) has something like a giant phone jack in the back.

I did read that Puppy does in fact have various tools to access a wireless network (something called "WAG", among other things).  But unless you're willing to install a wireless card to your Compaq (and risk it being too new for your system BIOS), I'd just try the cables.  Since the router is already preconfigured, it's likely you'll have internet the moment you plug it in (actually, scratch that,... you'd need to run the "connect" wizard on the desktop first).

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Let me guess...is that a different desktop environment? Pretty, whatever it is. Speaking of which, do you have any ideas as to how I can get these themes to work:

Yep, IceWM.  There's a blurb on it here,....

http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT6545156120.html

And I guess it's one of the easier Windows Managers to install, although I'd advise you save that for later once you get more familiar with the system, or at least find a way to hook up internet access.  ^^'

In the meantime, to satiate your thirst for XP, right-click on the Desktop, Go to Desktop>JWM configuration, then on the first window click the "Themes" option.  Naturally, select the one that says "XP" on it.

A cheap 5-cent clone, but at least it's something till you load something better.  ^__^

As for your themes, I don't really have much of a clue.  ^^
I know at least that these themes have to be downloaded to /root/.icons, which you can get to visually by clicking the Home icon on the desktop, which brings you to root (notice the "~" symbol at the top).
From there, click on the eye icon to show hidden files, then open the folder called ".icons".  In there you'll already see the default ROX theme.

BTW, those files are unfortunately Tarballs, which will be the bane of your existence for as long as you consider yourself to be a Linux newbie.  ^__^
In this case it's not too bad since they're just used for storage (like ZIP files, so in this particular exercise you'd have to extract those themes to that folder as you would with Winzip.  But when you start using real Linux distros, Tarballs are often used to store architecture-independent programs that you have to compile yourself (imagine writing your own Setup.exe files).  ^^'

In any event, see what you can do with the ROX themes, but don't spend too much time on it.  Honestly I don't like ROX, and you're bound to get something better (albeit perhaps heavier) when the time comes>  And I know you'd feel more at home with something like Konqueror or Nautilus or at least Thunar (Konqueror, for example, is like Windows Explorer on crack).  ^__^'

Thanks for the link! Actually, the thing I keep forgetting is NOT to double click, XD Windows keep popping up in double, heehee.

I haven't figured out how to get rid of that on the desktop, but while you're in ROX try this:

Right-click in any white space to pull up the ROX menu and select "Options".
Then click on the Filer Windows menu, and unclick "Single Click Navigation".  

There!  

No more accidentally opening files when you just want to look at them.  ^___^

Feel free to experiment with the other stuff that's on there.

ROX may be minimalistic, but it helps make Puppy so damn fast.  ^v^

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I guess this is my computer now:

http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-792

XD

LOL!!!  ^v^

BTW, you owe me more Puppy-chan pics after this.  
Perhaps something to commemorate your ordeal?  ^____^

Also, now that you're up and running with LiveCDs, how about trying SAM Linux when you get the chance?  Just curious to know if that will run fast or slow on your machine.  -v-

(And if it works AND runs fast, promise me you won't drool over your keyboard.... ^______^')

[Bella]

That shouldn't be a problem if you have a DSL router with the OPTION of using ethernet cables (some wirless routers have at least one ethernet port). Check to see if your Compaq (we'll call it "HaPup" going forward) has something like a giant phone jack in the back.

I did read that Puppy does in fact have various tools to access a wireless network (something called "WAG", among other things). But unless you're willing to install a wireless card to your Compaq (and risk it being too new for your system BIOS), I'd just try the cables. Since the router is already preconfigured, it's likely you'll have internet the moment you plug it in (actually, scratch that,... you'd need to run the "connect" wizard on the desktop first).

I don't see any LAN/DSL jack...I think I once read Windows didn't have that capability until 98SE (I think...?)

I'd probably be in a bigger hurry to get HaPup connected if I didn't have a computer to go online with, lol

In the meantime, to satiate your thirst for XP, right-click on the Desktop, Go to Desktop>JWM configuration, then on the first window click the "Themes" option. Naturally, select the one that says "XP" on it.

A cheap 5-cent clone, but at least it's something till you load something better. ^__^

Gah! That theme is up and running

As for your themes, I don't really have much of a clue. ^^
I know at least that these themes have to be downloaded to /root/.icons, which you can get to visually by clicking the Home icon on the desktop, which brings you to root (notice the "~" symbol at the top).
From there, click on the eye icon to show hidden files, then open the folder called ".icons". In there you'll already see the default ROX theme.

BTW, those files are unfortunately Tarballs, which will be the bane of your existence for as long as you consider yourself to be a Linux newbie. ^__^
In this case it's not too bad since they're just used for storage (like ZIP files, so in this particular exercise you'd have to extract those themes to that folder as you would with Winzip. But when you start using real Linux distros, Tarballs are often used to store architecture-independent programs that you have to compile yourself (imagine writing your own Setup.exe files). ^^'

In any event, see what you can do with the ROX themes, but don't spend too much time on it. Honestly I don't like ROX, and you're bound to get something better (albeit perhaps heavier) when the time comes> And I know you'd feel more at home with something like Konqueror or Nautilus or at least Thunar (Konqueror, for example, is like Windows Explorer on crack). ^__^'

Okay, most of the people on the site I found them on weren't sure how to use them, either.

I haven't figured out how to get rid of that on the desktop, but while you're in ROX try this:

Right-click in any white space to pull up the ROX menu and select "Options".
Then click on the Filer Windows menu, and unclick "Single Click Navigation".

There!

No more accidentally opening files when you just want to look at them. ^___^

Feel free to experiment with the other stuff that's on there.

Thanks!

LOL!!! ^v^

BTW, you owe me more Puppy-chan pics after this.
Perhaps something to commemorate your ordeal? ^____^

It's the least I can do for all the help, especially with a Linux DAU like me Something like Hacchan vs. Puppy-chan?

Also, now that you're up and running with LiveCDs, how about trying SAM Linux when you get the chance? Just curious to know if that will run fast or slow on your machine. -v-

(And if it works AND runs fast, promise me you won't drool over your keyboard.... ^______^')

Now that the swap partition is made, I could use other lightweight, 32-bit liveCDs? Cause I'd love giving SAM Linux a try sometime (as long as it'd be fairly speedy...)

[Kami-Tux]

I don't see any LAN/DSL jack...I think I once read Windows didn't have that capability until 98SE (I think...?)

You can go online with windows 3.11. Okay, you will need Lynx since everything else tends to crawl and/or crash, but working, it does

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Now that the swap partition is made, I could use other lightweight, 32-bit liveCDs? Cause I'd love giving SAM Linux a try sometime (as long as it'd be fairly speedy...)

yeah, they should be able to use that swap as well.