OS-tan Picture Gallery

[C-Chan]

Hehe,... I know it... ^___^

Don't know if Raffaele-san wants me to tell you, but feel free to BRIBE me if you want.... ^v^

I accept coins and precious metal bullion.  -v-

Historical paper money is okay I guess, but I only use modern paper money as tinder and credit cards as confetti.  `v'
And no stock options, please -- I have enough wallpaper as it is.  ^__^

[SleepyD]

well, if she doesn't want to tell, it's all fine and good. I won't be offended. ^^

haha, paper.... Recalls memories of R.O.D....

[C-Chan]

Hehe,... hope you liked the series.  ^___^

Oh, btw, I forgot.  ^v^

Thanks to everyone who has actively participated in the OS-Tan Gallery Upload Project!  You're are helping the site reach epic proportions, and y'all should pat yourselves on the back for that!!  ^v^

VIVA OS-TAN  COLLECTIONS.NET!!!!!  ^V^

[Raffaele the Amigan]

Jeff has a question! Raffaele, what is your dA account name? ^^

Jeff feels like watching you.

Deviant: RaffaeleMegabyte

But /Jeff must know the fact that I have only one (1) deviation registered and some scraps...

Added after 57 minutes:

Wait a moment!  Beat who? when? where?

This is just an early concept of it and it could be or could BE NOT be accepted by the community.  

Sorry, you officially beat me.  ^___^
No refunds or exchanges.  ^v^

Mwahaha!  ^v^

No but I have something of an unwritten rule going.... -v-
You know of course about my "crusade" as you call it.
So priority is mainly given to producing the OS-tans and not necessarily to making them better than anyone else's.

That's why, when I first drew Amiga, I spent much time and effort trying to make sure there wasn't one out already.
That way, I could both respect the efforts of the original artist AND save myself the double work of conflict resolution in the Annex.

I don't subscribe your point of view...

Instead of it I think this way:

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The Seven rules of OS-TAN predation:


1) Rule of "first drawing predates it all" I think it could be applied only if the artist realize a complete draw along with colors and complete version.

Sketches and early concept draws are no valid at all even if made public.


2) If an artist made public an OS-Tan in form of sketch and he/she is clearly asking to community members to: "express for general consensus" (just as I asked for MOS-TAN and FreeDOS-TAN), then the sketch it is valid as "predator first one" ONLY if the relevant members of that community approve the design and all the "symbolism" in the TAN sketch.


3) Drawings to be official and predate it all must became public on at least 2 or more sites, or elected as "officals" under the patronage of the entire community of the OS-TAN forum where the artist begans.

It will be the entire community forum to declare that the new OS-TAN is official and PROMOTE it on any known OS-collection and/or gallery.


4) If an artist, into a single community declared he is working to an OS-TAN, then any other artists should follow a sort of "rule of etiquette" which states that "none could draw another OS-TAN with same name, until the sketch from the first author come out".

Then it could be discussed by whole community if the design of the sketch it is good or not and eventually be approved or even REJECTED.

[This is why I didn't realize any design of AROS. Just because you declared you are the "first" artist working at it..]


5) Only if the sketch will be REJECTED by the community, then other artists could propose their alternatives.


6) If the sketch will be APPROVED, then the entire community must defend it under its patronage, and PROMOTE it on main OS-TAN servers as Official ONE and prevent other sites predating the paternity.


7) If two forum community sites claim almost at the same time for the double paternity of an OS-TAN, and promote publicly their own OS-TAN soultion, then the two communities should start a TRIAL COMPETITION, in the for of a PUBLIC POOL on a neutral site in which all readers could review both dawings, and then choose the winner of the competition.

The drawing which will win, then it will became the official one. The other OS-TAN which lose, could stay in a separate room gallery just as a simple curiosity museum of abandoned sketches for the benefit of future readers.

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What do you think about these rules?

I think that it must be start a discussion into this forum about the rules I had just expressed here...

For example none can predate XP-TAN or ME-TAN, because their style was reckognized as is, and they are officials from a long time...


But new works and new OS-TANs require some comments before to be accepted as OFFICALS, because then, could be raise a controversial on about the symbols in the picture...

(as for example C-Chan has expressed some perplexity about the chains I painted on the wrist of FreeDOS-TAN)...

Through unity there's strength -- and as long as artists don't do like with ME-chan and cooperate behind the same design (+/- some artistic license), then the OS-tan design will simply get lost in the shuffle.
As an example, because there are a gajillion Playstation 2-tans with no consistency whatsoever, we can't fawn over how cute PS2-chan is because we won't know which one we're talking about.  ^^

PS2 has no consistency? Good! So if you all consider vaild my 7 rules we could start applying the rules just to PS2 first, and raise a pool in which to decide what is the better for us of our forum...

[But only if whole community of our OS-TAN forum believe that my rules are valid]

Regardless of what my preconcept design for MOSchan was, I'll happily rally behind your design to boost her standing AND to save myself some drawing time.  ^__^
(And also cause I secretly hope you'll do the same with my OS-tan designs too.)  ^___^

I agree...

I guess it should not be a problem to change her age...

See ya. Must work on other projects and on MOS-TAN...

MOSCHAN!!!  MOSCHAN!!!!  MOSCHAN!!!!!!!  YAAAY!!!!!
WE ALL LOVE MOSCHAN AND DEMAND M0AR MOSCHAN!!!!!  ^V^

GLOM! Please don't call it MOSCHAN... It sounds like "fleecy" in italian  ;026

And we accidentally came up with a nickname for her, btw.  ^___^
And doesn't it sorta sound a little like "Mothra"?  @___@;

MOTHRA?

STRALOL!

Anyway, as far as FreeDOS goes, I say "beat me to it" more out of silliness, but just cause -- according to my original schedule -- I should've drawn one by now.  -v-
But a few people got bored with chibis and coaxed me into drawing full-sized renditions.  -v-

[CUT]

In the case of FreeDOS, I didn't have a specific look in mind, but was leaning towards her having long hair and wearing a whale hat.
She appears sweet and almost naive, but in reality is frighteningly-observant and can almost never be surprsied from behind.

She can do anything the other DOS-tans can and often better, but is also frighteningly-modest.

She has the ability to "produce" enough food to feed 10 XP-tans, but [frighteningly-enough] cannot actually cook to save her life.

She's lovable, but awakens all sorts of suspicions that she knows far more than she lets on and may be, in fact, a "sorcerous".

[in my OS-tan world lexicon, Open Source software is known as "Open Sorcery"]

She does need to look physically different than the rest, as she's not a bonified descendant of the DOS line.  
So in that sense making her black and giving her curls would make for a refreshing change of pace.
The clothing should be normalized though, not only to fit the younger age but also to avoid misunderstandings (i.e., the chains).  I understand the symbolism, but who's to say others will?  ^__^'

Just draw "your" version of FreeDOS all... DO IT!

Your rendition and your symbols could be better than mine!

I want to encourage you to do so!

Please don't cut your wings and don't abandon your ideas. Yours are good!

Now it exists a drawing of mine... And if you realize a draw of yours, we could start a pool INNER to our community and decide the winner.

Only the winner TAN will be the official one...

The other will stay only in our Annex as a record for future readers!

It sounds a better solution for me (and really honest)!

So none will be displeased he was not the first, just for a matter of chance... And only better drawing will survive.

Only registered user of ostan.blackdiam will be allowed to vote the pool, so, if we will advice the pool on other OS-TAN sites, then our community will became famous. Other OS-TAN forum sites began to look at us and our pools, and our TRIAL COMPETITIONS and userbase will enlarge.

[C-Chan]

Deviant: RaffaeleMegabyte

But /Jeff must know the fact that I have only one (1) deviation registered and some scraps...

*cries*  WAAAAAH!!!  NoooOO!
My bribe money~!!  ;^0^;

This pig is said now.  -__-

*mopes*

*reads 7 rules of OS-tan Predation*

Sounds like we're going to hunt for OS-tans. ^__^;

*long siiiigh*  -v-

*keeps reading*

...What do you think about these rules?

I think that it must be start a discussion into this forum about the rules I had just expressed here...

*sigh*  -.-

There's no arguing your argument makes sense -- certainly it's the kind of approach we'd prefer to foster in an ideal environment, and no doubt I harbored similar ambitions as well when I first started.  -v-

But the POV I described is not meant to be liked, but rather just meant to be the most efficient way to work around the limitations.  You're fairly new to this board (and from what you've told me, to the OS-tan phenomenon in general), so I suspect perhaps that you overestimate our capabilities as they stand now....  Ã,¬__Ã,¬

It's always struck me how the Japanese image boards are filled to the brim with user contributions, from breathtaking professional images to crappy disproportioned line-art; whereas the Western counterparts are filled to the brim with admirers of said Japanese artwork.  Effort to create original material or support Western artists (even those style-matching the Japanese style) seems sorely lacking.  Moreover, the trend has been going on for many years now, so you and I came around the time when interest in OS-tans specifically has plateaued a bit.  -v-

I figure it's a matter of statistics.  In Japan, anime/manga probably employs a far greater share of the artistic talent relative to other art forms, being a multi-billion yen industry.  In most Western countries, despite substantial progress, Anime and Manga is still a niche market, losing out to photography, abstract art, comics, non-Anime gaming, etc.  

For the sake of simplicity, I'll be generous to say that anime/manga has a 10% foothold on all Western pop-culture -- 10% of general segment of society affluent enough to afford tv, comics/manga, internet connectivity, etc.  And 10% only because of all the kiddies who like Pokemon, Yu-gi-oh, Naruto and all that jazz.... -v-
Casual viewers will encompass a smaller percentage of that, and I can't see more than 1% actually knowing about Moe personfications.  Filter down to those who are aware the OS-tans exist, and you might get .5%.
Filter for Windows users, and you'll immediately strip away maybe 90% of that total, so .05%.
So point .05% of us appreciate OS-tans that aren't necessarily ME-chan or XP-san, but we still have to divide and conquer that amount between Apple connoseuirs, Linux users, BSD adventurers, etc.  

That being said, how many OS-tan knowledgeable people will know about, use or appreciate AmigaOS?  And how many for MorphOS or AROS?  

How many of them still know how to draw?
Or be willing to contribute in some way rather than spectate?
In fact, how many are actually willing or have the time to participate in any discussion at all?

Conversely, I can flip the genre...
Suppose I posted my Amiga-tan drawing into the Amigaworld forum?  If I'm lucky, I might land a few remarks from people who at least know what Anime is, let alone what an OS-tan is.  But surely the likeliest response is "What the hell [or $@%#] is that?" or maybe even "Someone is asking for a lawsuit!".

By simple diffusion, we are a rare breed and in this sea of Windows-tans -- and Food-tans/ country-tans/ mechamusume/ and other weird internet memes -- our humble tributes to niche operating systems of this day-and-age are incredibly easy to overlook.

Hence, it would be counterproductive NOT to collaborate and help eachother propagate our creations.  And even if we did try a competitive scheme, don't be surprised if participation on this board may not be what you expect (certainly not for obscure OSes -- "obscure" in relative terms, something which as an Amigan you're gonna have to get used to).  -v-

And to say the least of outside "communities" like Waka or Niijura, who are barely communities, very selective, and not always particularly useful.  ^__^'

Methinks I've talked too much.  -__-

I hate being overly negative, but I do fear that if you expect too much and receive nothing back in your investment of time and talent, you might feel compelled to leave.  '_'

But with patience and teamwork, we have a far greater chance of establishing our own strong community.  It takes time and effort and clearly a few bumps, but whether we succeed or fail at least we'll get more out of it.  Look how much I learned about Miggy since you got here?  ^__^

(as for example C-Chan has expressed some perplexity about the chains I painted on the wrist of FreeDOS-TAN)...

Yes, in that regard you're better off without them.  Trust me on this....  -v-;

We're still reeling over this little oddity....  ^^;

PS2 has no consistency? Good! So if you all consider vaild my 7 rules we could start applying the rules just to PS2 first, and raise a pool in which to decide what is the better for us of our forum...

[But only if whole community of our OS-TAN forum believe that my rules are valid]

Aaaah, that brings back memories....  ^v^  
Have you considered reading all the message threads at my Annex?  You'll eventually come across why I bring this up.... ^^'

And there's the issue of "interest" again.  I don't like Sony and their Playstation anymore AND I'd rather keep my focus on OS-tans (the most efficient thing I can do when faced with 150 OSes to make), so I'd probably wouldn't care to vote on a set design.  And then there's the issue of "self-confidence" to consider, in which our peers may not feel OS-Tan Collections.Net is influential-enough to sway public opinion.  I know that because that was brought to me a lot during,...

...Well, I won't spoil it for you.  Hehe... -v-

GLOM! Please don't call it MOSCHAN... It sounds like "fleecy" in italian  

But I like fleece.  ^__^
It's soft and stuff.  ^v^

MOSCHAN!!!  MOSCHAN!!!  MOSCHAN!!!  MOSCHAN!!!  ^.^

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In any case, let me leave it at that.  -v-

I know you also asked me to draw my FreeDOS version, "DO IT OR DIE!!", but said you already read my explanation by now, maybe you might look at my reasoning a little differently.

I WILL draw all OS-tans sooner or later -- that's a given if you remember how my Annex is laid out and realize that all of them will get at least a Wiki Avatar of some sort.  The only difference is whether other artists will save me the trouble of having to think up 150 separate entities.  Naturally, my designs are carbon copies of user creations either -- if it conflicts with my preconcept notion too much, or there's room to add some artistic liberty, I certainly "C-chan-ize" it.  Compare Aurora's QNX-tan with the one I drew for my eCS picture.  They're almost the identical, except for one very important feature borrowed from my preconcept notion.  Other than that, I love her design and have adapted it to my old storyboarding to create a more vibrant character than I originally planned.  ^__^

But if you really really REALLY want to see my FreeDOS, feel free to take a number cause it's gonna be a long while.  I follow a strict (*laughs*) schedule and she's currently not slated for drawing until February 2007.  That makes for very boring competitions, no?  ^__________^;

[NewYinzer]

0.05%?!? Let's see:
About 5 million "anime" fans in the USA
4.5 million are Naruto/Yugioh/Pokemon fans
500 thousand are casual fans (like me)
50 thousand are hardcore otaku
5 thousand know about OS-Tans
There are about 700 people on this forum
Therefore:
- We need to find the other 4,300 OS-Tan fans
- We need to make 45,000 otaku aware of the OS-Tans

*starts planning*
There was an episode of Negima that dealt with making internet sites more popular...

*runs away*

I'm off to finish my devious plot!

[SleepyD]

haha, thanks a lot raffaele! Heh, my account hasn't been updated in a long while...

mm... yes, both you and C-Chan bring up very good points.  Lack of popularity is quite an obstacle to surmount.  Of course, a well done comic can help.... hehe ^^  

...hm... somehow a OS-tan wiki seems like a good idea.... but I highly doubt if anyone here has the time to put into making one....

.........I'll stop thinking out loud for now...

[NewYinzer]

Why don't we consolidate our ideas into a "five year plan" of sorts?
First let's build a windmill to turn the grain into bread to sell (obscure Animal Farm reference, just kidding)

Seriously, to increase membership and popularity, we should:
- Develop a "webcomic" of sorts, for example having Digital Complex on Monday, filler on Tuesday, ZerOSanity on Wednesday, filler on Thursday, Mac Manga on Friday, and filler on the Weekend.
- Combine our collaborations on the Wikipedia page to make it better than it is (right now, they don't like it), almost to the point of a total rewrite.
- Expand the gallery to titanic proportions.
- Increase production of doujin arts, such as new OS-Tans, comics, OAV's, etc.
- Create a "video" section, with links to YouTube and DivX videos on the internet plus omake creations.
- Make OS-Tan Collections a center for all things OS-Tans, including pictures, information, multimedia (music and video), specialized torrents, and an active forum with over 1000 members.
- Increase membership by adding our own imageboard as well as the text/image board we've already got going.
- Increase the number of admins/moderators to allow for increase thoroughfare.
- Expand server capabilities as well as improving the friendliness of the website, including upgrades similar to Megatokyo's layout, with one central page linking to different pages with multimedia, video, and forums.
- Allow an open dialog for members to discuss changes and improvements to the site.

And that's my 50 yen.

[SleepyD]

As for the wikipedia article, I do think a massive rewrite is needed.

However, there is quite a bit of information out there that I think do not belong in Wikipedia.  Information that would only be known to otaku, and just add clutter to the Wikipedia article. Hence, my proposal to make a new OS tan wiki with all that, like Star Trek's Memory Alpha

[Exa]

0.05%?!? Let's see:
About 5 million "anime" fans in the USA
4.5 million are Naruto/Yugioh/Pokemon fans
500 thousand are casual fans (like me)
50 thousand are hardcore otaku
5 thousand know about OS-Tans
There are about 700 people on this forum
Therefore:
- We need to find the other 4,300 OS-Tan fans
- We need to make 45,000 otaku aware of the OS-Tans

It's great, but has one mistake: what about the OS-Tan fans from other countries? We need to find them too!

[MisterCat]

It seems to me it's exceedingly difficult to achieve popularity whilst fighting against it.  The vast majority of computing-system operators use Microsoft Windows operating systems; and, to be quite frank, the most popular and well-designed of the OS Girls is XP Professional.

Yet, all we hear via OS-tan insiders is criticism and denigration of the one icon which is most likely to draw fans to the OS-Girls genre.  Such an attitude is unlikely to attract very many people; so if the goal is general awareness of the OS-Girls genre by the overall on-line community, then it's sensible and wise to use the most effective tools at hand.

Like, random-access memory determines breast size?  Good grief, get out of junior high school and get a grip!  Plus, why are OS Girls stuck with Japanese names; and how come they eat nothing but Japanese food whilst using only chopsticks for utensils?  That's a good way to keep them distant from all but Oriental cultures.

Popularity in this case involves using images which are attractive to the people whom you want to have tuning in.  Japan isn't in need to being convinced OS Girls are a good idea, so it's long since past time to knock off the whole Japanese thing and turn some attention to the rest of the world.

Folks, Microsoft has its headquarters in the state of Washington ââ,¬â€ not in Tokyo; and Apple Computer has its headquarters in the state of California.  People in Africa, Europe, Oceania and South America use computing systems ââ,¬â€ not just people in Japan.

This doesn't mean a complete and distinct set of OS Girls is needed for every continent, but it sure would help if the Girls weren't firmly cemented to one nation only.  In short, if the OS-Girls genre is to spread across a wider area of interest, it's time to go with the heavy hitters from the OS-Girls line-up and snip the umbilical cord connecting them to Japan.

Having said all that, I staunchly defend artistic freedom and think creativity is a building block of human rights.  There's plenty of room in cyberspace for all manner of OS Girls, as many as there are operating systems; but I believe the point of any publicity-attack sword must be XP Professional and the blade must be international, not only Japanese, in scope.

;085

=^..^=

[Exa]

I think the problem of the OS-tans is similar to the judgement of the anime genre. There a lot of people who don't like or even hate anime because it's Japanese creation (or because it's "just" animation"). I observed that people who don't like the anime genre usually don't like the OS-tans neither - the reasons are similar. They never change their opinion.

However, there must be an other group - who would be responsive to the OS-tans (either because of the design, the OS theme or other reasons) but just don't know about it.

[CaptBrenden]

I must disagree neko-san, for we are a site dedicated to the OS-tans, not the creators of them.  to do things such as take them away from their japanese roots, simply to draw in more people is not our place I feel.  Our own original ones perhaps, but we have no buisness changing what really isnt ours.  I feel we just need to do as we have been,   support them through our collection of images and writtings, translations and wiki articles.  Let the people that are interested in them as they are come, and do not try to change them simply so more people will find them paletable. Such acts are what eventualy caused teh Dejavu problems.. they tried to take the tans as if they were their own and did not stay true to what was already there.

However with that been said,  adding to the fandom is what the tan fandom is about. New tans, comics, and the like (as long as you dont try to change what was already there) is how the fandom was formed and currently thrives.

As for opening it up to larger audiences, the translations serve for that.  Also our own comics have that potential as well. For example, Digi Com is based in Washington for the reason you mentioned (well that and im going to be living there in less then a month so I can just walk out side for background ref)

in summery, If they dont like them as they are, let them go elsewhere.  The fandom is not so desperate for attention that it needs to change to acomidate the tastes of others.

[NewYinzer]

Let's not indoctrinate others in order to spread the OS-Tan fandom. Let's show others what it's all about, and if they like it, fine. If they don't like it, fine. As for getting new members who are already interested - even better. I'm not talking about imposing the OS-Tan fandom on other, but bringing in those interested. However, let's remember that the OS-Tans are Japanese and will always be. Let's not become another Deja Vu, okay? If anything, we should appear neutral on the matter and not pick sides. And that's my 50 pesos.

[CaptBrenden]

Here here!... oh pasos! *snatch* *runs off to TJ*