More IBM-tans

[Chocofreak13]

bella: i suppose you're right about the hardware-tans, although for certian computers (and storyline purposes) having an army of clone-puters would be pretty cool.
as for os-volution, there must be SOME hints of it, whether it's a family line or OSes coming from other computers. unix to linux could be considered an os-volution.
i wonder if, for storyline purposes, viruses and malware could "kill" an OS-tan.
(ps. dost thou live in plymouth? :3)

nej: since when is this canon? WE keep the -tans alive now. which means WE make the canon stuff now.

[NejinOniwa]

I meant, if OUR canon is to have some sort of continuity within itself, and not just be a strange assortment of buttcheeks and waffle iron.

[Chocofreak13]

hmm, indeed, there has to be SOME organization. i think that may be what sparked this philosophical conversation of philosophy and os-tan
(or "On the OS-tan of Species").

yes, orginization is needed. but first we need to agree on what is being organized. we have os-tans, software, and hardware as separate species; we all agree on that it seems. i like the idea of firmware and filetypes as separate species as well. does everyone agree? and what to do about vintage-tans?

after that, there's the OS-volution debate. then we could probably start some organizing, cause then we'll know what we're dealing with.

[Aurora Borealis]

I see the each of them as distinct but equally important species, with the vintage computer-tans being in a class of their own. Many of them had not just their own proprietary hardware, but also their own OS/BASIC, file formats, and ROM/firmware in one package.

There was some of that divergence in the 80's, with the DOS-tans and the Mac OS-tans, but it wasn't until the 90's that this became the norm and not the exception.

It was mainly due to MS DOS and the different Windows versions running on various hardware brands. The other major competitor was of course the Mac OS and its distinct hardware. This sacrifice of hardware+OS integration has the advantage of flexibility and adaptability, mainly for OSes that run on x86 architecture.

Sure, the Mac OS has always been confined to Apple hardware, but not just one particular model.

[Bella]

@ Aurora: microcomputer-tans would be what I described as "hybrids" of OS/software and hardware-tan. Since the OS/BASIC interpreter and hardware are SO closely connected (at least from a user viewpoint) to be almost inseparable. This will also come up a lot with very old OSes and computer-tans, from the days when there  was only a thin line of distinction between the hardware and the software controlling the hardware.

If you want to look at it from an evolution POV, I see them as the transitional species between hardware and OS-tan. The difference from being that evolution implies a transformation from simpler to more complex lifeforms, I don't think hardware-tans are less developed than OS-tans-- they look and act alike and have the same intelligence, it's just that OS-tans can manipulate "energy" or "magic" in ways that hardwares can't.

@ Choco: the evolution of Unix to Linux is more like a... bloodline... if you ask me. It's like talking about the evolution of yourself from your great-grandmother. (BTW, the Unix-tans and Linux-tans are supposed to be related; they're supposed to be roughly from the same "race" or culture, sort of like two people sharing the same country and customs being considered related).

I wouldn't dismiss armies of random hardware-tan masses for storyline purposes, but then again, there's not a lot I would dismiss for storyline purposes. It's not my place to tell people what they can and can't do for a story, just because it doesn't precisely match up with my vision of the OS-tan universe-- short of someone inventing new characters to replace existing ones, or radically re-writing established backgrounds for the characters, that is.

I like the Mac "mafia" idea, as for the Linuxes being like Commies... I actually think that they'd be quite the opposite. Sure, they ARE strongly socialistic, but they're also a very open, transparent culture and attach a lot of stigma to secrecy and shady dealings. If anything, the old school Unices would have have been more Communistic, not really philosophically but politically-- at least in their rapid takeover of vast amounts of "territory" through rather... underhanded... means. >.>

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Hey, guys, do you think we should move this discussion elsewhere? I mean, this thread WAS a staging area for new OS-tans...

[Aurora Borealis]

BTW, I edited my post and went more in-depth about it, but I agree, Bella.

Still wanting to know about the Mac 'mafia', I don't think the Mac-tans are in it by choice, and they have to follow orders, or at least the OSX-tans do, since the 'protection' doesn't apply as much --or at all-- to the Classic Mac-tans. Speaking of which, I think the Classic Mac-tans have stayed in the House of Mac out of loyalty for the OSX-tans (even though most of the Classic-tans would actually be better suited as Vintage Federation members), and the OSX-tans are grateful but have not experienced any other upbringing aside from the 'protection' they live under so they have to comply with executive orders.

[NejinOniwa]

Internal Apple Familia oppression...I CAN SMELL THE PLOT. Z:3

Linux-commie idea seems a bit meh to me as well. If for nothing else then the fact that Linux/Torvalds TEH CREATOR is from Finland, one of the few countries in the area to actually manage escaping Sovietification back in the day (and well managing to kick quite a heap of ruski ass in the Winter War), I'd say it'd make for a good attitude against that sort of stuff.

Vintage class of its own is pretty much what I've been thinking but more on that later as this demon has SHITLOADS OF WERK.

Also it'd be more appropriate to continue the OS-volution etc discussion and stuff not related to this IBM topic in Aurora's new thread:[/size]
http://ostan-collections.net/viewtopic.php?t=1238

[Chocofreak13]

was going to post it here (had to take notes again, lawls) but moved to newly created thread. :3

[stewartsage]

Looks!  Something productive!  I think at least, that none of these Acorn-tans have been done before.

Arthur-kun:
-One of the failed predeccsors to RISC OS, generally seems to have taken his abandonment well
-Doesn't like using computers, depends on written notes (command line driven under the desktop based on MOS)
-Looks to MOS as a a mentor, wanted to be as succesful and loved as she was
-Typically gallant and cheerful, does tend to gloat something terribly over ARX
-Has a hard time working with other company's systems, sometimes just stopping talking (didn't work well with some programs)
-Resourceful, capable of accomplishing his tasks with almost nothing (stop gap until ARX was finished.... which never happened)
-Does oragami as a hobby (I don't know, it could run on a floppy as opposed to ARX's hard drive and 4 megs of space)
-Has the unpleasant habit of attracting insects (initial versions buggy, sooo)
-Sort of brother to ARX & RISC
-Status: Alive

Description: Has vivid eyes that change color, blonde like his closest sister, wears a double breasted suit with Acorn theme ties, carries oragami paper and a notebook somewhere on his person, keeps a pen behind his ear

ARX-tan
-Has an irrational hatred of corn, of all shapes and forms (kernel trouble, lol)
-Always sounds kind of, off
-Gets along with RISC OS, despite her being the reason she was abandoned
-Slows down further instead of running
-May or may not worship a poster of Archimedes the Greek
-Doesn't have all of her organs (OS was left incomplete) but seems to do fine without them
-Looks up to her more succesful Unix breathern across the pond, but largely shunned for her failure and.... odd personality
-Likes to play with other Acorn-tans, when they'll put up with her (Ran mostly in user mode)
-Seems to have multiple personalities; flipping between childlike and serious scientist
-Sort of sister to Arthur & RISC
-Status: Deceased

Description: Kind of short, wears her blonde hair in a variety of styles (because she can do it herself and without a lot of resources), dresses plainly but with an Acorn pin, track shoes (for teh irony)

PANOS-tan
-Lesser known BBC Micro OS
-Deals with the obscurity fairly well, compensates by speaking a multitude of languages
-Seems to have the ability to make herself disappear by channeling her disappointment
-Hangs out at Cambridge (also ran at the Acorn Cambridge Workstation)
-Very understanding and tolerant of workaholics and the obsessive compulsive
-Status: Unknown

Description: auburn hair, secondary school uniform, carries a satchel full of books and notes and packages of food for the college students, necklace with silver acorn charm

[Chocofreak13]

i posted an Acorn-tan awhile back. Forget where, but i KNOW i made one. As for Arthur, he was a pet owl for her. (or possibly squirell.)

[Aurora Borealis]

Good concepts! The only Acorn-tan there was for a long time is RISC OS-tan. Arthur and ARX are listed in the original Annex Project thread, but Arthur was listed as being alive in the Binteeji Renmei.

I especially like ARX-tan and her oddness.

[stewartsage]

i posted an Acorn-tan awhile back. Forget where, but i KNOW i made one. As for Arthur, he was a pet owl for her. (or possibly squirell.)

I remember!  Mostly.  Though I'd thought it was for one of the specific-tans ^^;  Sorry....

Good concepts! The only Acorn-tan there was for a long time is RISC OS-tan. Arthur and ARX are listed in the original Annex Project thread, but Arthur was listed as being alive in the Binteeji Renmei.

I especially like ARX-tan and her oddness.

Gotcha.  Now I just need to finish up TI's DX10 and MERT

Hooray!  ARX wins more playmates!

[Aurora Borealis]

I'm working on sketches of the Acorn-tans right now.

[Chocofreak13]

i suppose mine could be a catch all for them.....

or maybe the family leader, like lisa for the macs? =\

[stewartsage]

Hm, and Arthur could have shape shifting ability to change into her owl.