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Post Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:23 pm   Back to top Go to bottom 
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Tsubashi wrote:

Oh, and since all things linux go here:
Has anyone installed linux on their iPod before? If so, did you ever have problems with overheating? I had it on my 2nd gen mini for a while without problems, but it was stolen. On my 1st gen nano, however, the back casing heats up noticeably after 10 minutes, and continues to heat up. Any ideas? Not a pressing issue, especially since after an hour or so the temperature stays constant. There seem to be no noticeable defects, but it's just a little odd. ^.^


Y'know this problem is debatable, that if either the iPod Linux (podzilla) software'is the one who's making it overheat or not...

I'm not sure about yours but since it's a first gen iPod maybe you were using an old iPL kernel. no?

...or how bout ever since you've installed iPL, it almost reached the limits of the given size of your iPod Nano that it coincides with the RAM.
If you are playing iDoom on a 2 or 1GB iPod nano of yours, it may be the cause of a certain overclocking...

Although I may have to agree more with C over this, maybe it's the hardware itself. The closest thing I can think of is the backlight of your iPod Nano.

My 4GB nano does get its back hot in the rarest times, but I've never considered this to be an effect of installing iPod linux on it (I actually find the iPod linux faster than its default operating system)
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Wow, if the date on the last post is correct, it's been some time since anyone has posted in here. Of course, I haven't been here in at least a year, so I guess there's been a good many changes that I've missed as well.

Anyway, while it isn't neccessarily Linux-related, I thought I might announce that I'm very interested in learing Python. I've noticed that a great deal of the programs I use use Python, and based upon other information that I read, Python also seems to be an easy (or at least, easier than most) language to learn. So, searching ubuntuforums led me to this online tutorial for beginners. I haven't started yet because I generally prefer to have printed materials before me when I'm learning (and I don't have a printer). So I still plan on using that tutorial, but it'll be once I've printed the materials using the family computer. So, my point in posting in here was to ask if anyone here has learned Python themselves, and if so, are there any other materials you would recommend to a beginner like myself?
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WOW! Do my eyes deceive me? @v@

Ian-san! It's been ages!! ^__^

Yeah, I haven't posted in this thread much since nearly all my Linux talk is now over in "The Club". That, and the fact that it "just works" has ensured that I haven't had to answer any troubleshooting questions. ^__~

Funny you should mention that -- I've retired from my short-lived endeavor as a Linux semi-developer to practice Python programming, as a stepping stone for eventual GUI software writing. ^___^
Indeed it is EXCEPTIONALLY easy (as both a procedural and object-oriented language), powerful, adaptable, cross-platform, and most important of all... open source. And it can bind with GTK or QT4 widgets (in addition to a whole slew of independent ones), so you can really make your programs look nice with it. ^__~

The only drawback is that it is slow compared to some languages like C and C++, but much faster than other OOPs (like Java). And certainly if you can get used to Python, you're better able to understand others. ^___^

(the fact that I've dipped my hand in Office VBA, BASH Shell Script, C, and Perl has really helped me understand Python much more easily)

Online tutorials are a good free resource if you use the computer frequently. On the other hand, if you spend a lot of time offline and/or prefer to do your learning with books, I recommend picking up a copy of Michael Dawson's "Python Programming For the Absolute Beginner". So far I'm having a blast with this book, as it teaches you the basics through simple game development and lots of humor (which I always say is the best teacher). ^.^

Any other questions, feel free to stick around and ask.^___^

Added after 9 minutes:

One last thing... don't forget to check out the official Python documentation page -- it also has links to many valuable guides, including some downloadable ones:

http://www.python.org/doc/
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Yes senpai, the prodigal returneth... again. Hopefully, this will be more of a long-term stay. I never intended to be gone so long to begin with, but that's another story. I haven't had any major tech issues (you know, the entire reason I would keep coming to this forum, ^__~). I finally come to realize the main problem with ubuntuforums is a lack of thoughtfully written HowTos (steps skipped, commands not thoroughly explained, etc.), and I currently own two Linux books (one general Linux and one Ubuntu) to compensate for "HowTo" shortcomings. Anyway, the only real problems I've had in the past year were my exceedingly painful (yet somehow successful) dist-upgrade and the various foul-ups on my Xorg.conf and sources.list files, all of which I've solved.

Yeah, "The Club", I can still remember when I was afraid it would be closed for being possible flamebait. Kinda funny being around to see it start, take off for awhile and return only to see it has become this big thing. I guess I'll have to start posting in there from now on.

As far as my interest in Python goes, I plan to start by simply editing scripts for pre-existing programs, but I doesn't fulfill me to simply cut-and-paste commands and such without knowing what the hell I'm doing, you know? Of course, I do have an interest in making my own programs as well, but all I've got now are ideas and no way to implement them. Anyway, I was glad to hear that of all people Piggy-senpai was into this as well. If I haven't made it obvious already, I've come to trust your judgement ^__^.

Anyway, on the subject of learning, I've still yet to learn to use Inkscape. As I may have said before, math is not my strong suit (I can use it, I just have no passion for it), and I'm worried said problem would cause me great difficulty in both drawing vectors and programming.

Gah, TL;DR
Thank you piggy-senpai, and it's great to be back.
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Glad to have you back too. ^___^

If you think Inkscape requires math, then methinks you haven't looked at it yet. Oh well, no real problem,... just focus on Python and PyQT4, and sooner or later the urge to draw your own graphics will inevitably lead you back to Inkscape (which hopefully by then will be in version 0.47, or.... *prays*... the animation-enabled 0.4. TvT

I'll be back later to talk more. ^___^
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Hopefully, this will be more of a long-term stay. I never intended to be gone so long to begin with, but that's another story. I haven't had any major tech issues (you know, the entire reason I would keep coming to this forum, ^__~).


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I finally come to realize the main problem with ubuntuforums is a lack of thoughtfully written HowTos (steps skipped, commands not thoroughly explained, etc.), and I currently own two Linux books (one general Linux and one Ubuntu) to compensate for "HowTo" shortcomings. Anyway, the only real problems I've had in the past year were my exceedingly painful (yet somehow successful) dist-upgrade and the various foul-ups on my Xorg.conf and sources.list files, all of which I've solved.


That's good to hear. ^___^
I do remember the old *Buntu adage: "When the next version comes out, Reinstall. Don't Upgrade!" Naturally, though it's such a wussy way out if you ask me -- nevertheless, anyone well-versed in the inner workings of the system will know how to, A) do target installations of the new kernel/drivers/etc from the latest release, or B) know how to restore all their files and settings instantly after a reinstallation.

In a way I'm kinda glad those painful experiences ended up successful. Following the adage of "No Pain, No Gain", I imagine the experiences have left you stronger and wiser. Regardless of what you and I might've throught when we first began this journey, Humility is such an important prerequisite of responsible Linux usage. ^___^

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Yeah, "The Club", I can still remember when I was afraid it would be closed for being possible flamebait. Kinda funny being around to see it start, take off for awhile and return only to see it has become this big thing. I guess I'll have to start posting in there from now on.


You're welcome to. ^__^
I never really seriously doubted the future of our little club, since the people who DID try to get it closed down did not do so because of a gross misunderstanding of the facts, but rather a complete disregard for them. Once peace was restored to the galaxy, that thread took a healthy and hearty life of its own. ^^

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As far as my interest in Python goes, I plan to start by simply editing scripts for pre-existing programs, but I doesn't fulfill me to simply cut-and-paste commands and such without knowing what the hell I'm doing, you know? Of course, I do have an interest in making my own programs as well, but all I've got now are ideas and no way to implement them. Anyway, I was glad to hear that of all people Piggy-senpai was into this as well. If I haven't made it obvious already, I've come to trust your judgement ^__^.


Wow! That's a lot of power I wield then. ^___^

*thinks of ways to abuse it*

Go make me a sandwich! NAU!! ^0^

In any event, I started BASH scripting in much the same you plan to start Python, although in my case it was more of a requirement to keep up with the other developers. It helped to go through this tutorial:

http://www.linuxcommand.org/

...but I didn't actually soar with it until I kept practicing more and more, dissecting lengthy scripts that handled key functions I was familiar with.

BTW, if you want to dissect your first Python script, here's one I posted up in the art threads. ^___^

Very very very basic stuff (doesn't use Lists even, but Tuples) that I've since read about better ways of doing, but will likely be very easy for you to decipher.... ^____^

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# Word Jumble
#
# The computer picks a random word and then "jumbles" it
# The player has to guess the original word

import random

# create a sequence of words to choose from
WORDS = ("amiga",
         "beos",
         "openvms",
         "os/2",
         "windows",
         "macintosh",
         "unix",
         "linux",
         "freebsd",
         "solaris",
         "riscos",
         "reactos",
         "vxworks",
         "multics",
         "dos")

# create a sequence of hints to choose from
HINTS = ("Is tall and cheerful, with beautiful rainbow eyes!",
         "Has bicolored eyes and is studious.",
         "Loves sharks, carries a cleaver, and needs a shrink.  FAST!",
         "Star Trek fangirl. Also has medusa-hair.",
         "In a world without walls, who needs...",
         "It's mostly about cats rather than fruit these days.",
         "Slackware-chan's Object O' Worship",
         "Penguins can't march without...",
         "Smart, sexy but also glutinous",
         "Can control magnetism and summon solar flares.",
         "Indestructible, but stylish.",
         "Windoze Wannabe.  'Nuff said.",
         "Carries a railgun and has been to Mars",
         "ITS-sama gave her a ride in a recent comic."
         "Contrary to what the BBC said, Bill Gates did not create this....")


# pick one word randomly from the sequence
i = random.randrange(len(WORDS))
word = WORDS[i]
hint = HINTS[i]

# create a variable to use later to see if the guess is correct
correct = word

# create a jumbled version of the word
jumble = ""

while word:
    # get a random letter in "word"
    position = random.randrange(len(word))
    # append the random letter into "jumble"
    jumble += word[position]
    # make "word" equal all the letters before the random letter,
    # and append the remaining letters after the random letter.
    word = word[:position] + word[(position+1):]

# start the game
print \
      """
              Welcome to Word Jumble!

         Unscramble the letters to make a word!
      (Press the enter key at the prompt to quit.)
      """

print "The jumble is:", jumble

# ask the player to guess the word
guess = raw_input("\nYour guess: ")
# force the guess to be lowercase
guess = guess.lower()

while (guess != correct) and (guess!= ""):
    print "Sorry, that's not it."
    print "Here's a hint:\n", hint
    guess = raw_input("\nYour guess: ")
    guess = guess.lower()

if guess == correct:
    print "That's it! You guessed it!\n"

print "Thanks for playing!"

raw_input("\n\nPress the enter key to exit.")


If you already downloaded the Python IDLE and know how to open/use it, you should know how to run this. You can also do it from the Terminal if you save it to a file (e.g., wordjumble.py), and then run it in the same directory from the command line (using "python ./wordjumble.py"). ^__^
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# start the game
print \
"""
Welcome to Word Jumble!

Unscramble the letters to make a word!
(Press the enter key at the prompt to quit.)
"""


For some reason, this portion of the script won't run as is. I had to delete the "\" and the indent before the quotes to even run the program at all. So now I get the prompt to unscramble, but no welcome message. I guess in my continuing studies I'll figure out what's going on here...
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Oh duh! yeah, i forgot I posted a bugged out version of the script. ^^'
There's a blank space after that "print \" instance you quoted -- delete that space and you'll be fine.

This is actually more obvious to catch in the Python IDLE, since it highlights any syntax that bugs out prior to running. ^__^
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*slaps head*
That's what IDLE was telling me the whole time, but I thought it was upset about the entire highlighted space after the "\". Well, it works now, obviously, lol.
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Fufu! Congratulations on your first bit of bug fixing. ^^

Now that you've run it, you can see how crap-simple it is -- but I figure big things need small beginnings. ^__^

Let me know if you need help with line by line dissection -- if you're fresh-new to programming of any kind, standard things (like loops, variables and if-else statements) may not seem immediately obvious..

(e.g., took me a LOOOOOONG time to fully understand and use loops in my work code) ^^;
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No wai! It's an IanDanKilmaster sighting! I see you're back, with some new Python skills and a Boondocks-riffic avatar!

@The Ubuntu people's love of reinstalling: Oh lawd, maybe Debian is the right distro for me! Tell me, do Debian-ists like reinstallations? Cause I don't T__T

@ The Club: yeah, there was a bit of flak at first, but when we ended up being a peaceable bunch and no flamewars broke out, the heat died down.

@ Inkscape needing mathematics skill: Honestly, I kinda thought the same thing of vector graphics at first, too. But I find Inkscape to be one of the most intuitive and enjoyable graphics programs I've used, raster or vector. I'd recommend just starting it up, and playing around--you'll begin to get the hang of it!

@ You guys' cr4zy ski11z: Wow! I can barely even handle a command line! Okay, not really, but my interest lies more in the historical aspect of it. (IOW, learning to use a computer as they've been used for the past 40 years) :P

*Bella away!*

*leaves thread*
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No wai! It's an IanDanKilmaster sighting! I see you're back, with some new Python skills and a Boondocks-riffic avatar!


"Jean-Claude Van Damme's the best martial artist in the world. He killed a man with his butt cheek power."

Okay, so maybe that quote's a little esoteric, but it just so happens it's one of the few by Uncle Ruckus I can manage to quote without heavy editing. ^__^

I guess next I'll do a Metalocalypse or Squidbillies avatar, I've been wanting to make a FLCL avatar, but I wanna make sure my next GIMP'd image looks waaaay better than my previous efforts.

As far as Python skills go, I'm just starting with it, so you could probably read an hours' worth of text and learn as much as I know ^__^".

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@The Ubuntu people's love of reinstalling: Oh lawd, maybe Debian is the right distro for me! Tell me, do Debian-ists like reinstallations? Cause I don't T__T


Well, I wouldn't say the 'Buntu folks love re-installing, but it currently beats the hell outta the alternative (dist-upgrade blows chunks, had to fall back to command line to get things to work fully).

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@ Inkscape needing mathematics skill: Honestly, I kinda thought the same thing of vector graphics at first, too. But I find Inkscape to be one of the most intuitive and enjoyable graphics programs I've used, raster or vector. I'd recommend just starting it up, and playing around--you'll begin to get the hang of it!


Let it be known that my artistic skill isn't all that great either, be it pencil & paper, mouse, whatevs... I suck.

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@ You guys' cr4zy ski11z: Wow! I can barely even handle a command line! Okay, not really, but my interest lies more in the historical aspect of it. (IOW, learning to use a computer as they've been used for the past 40 years) :P


Well, I would hardly say I've mastered the command line, but I've come to prefer it in some ways to the GUI. For one thing, if you can decipher the commands, you'll actually know what the hell you're doing. By contrast, GUIs can often be riddled with bugs and you can't be altogether sure there isn't some missed error in the code that will botch your intended command. What really bugs me is there seems to be some consensus among the admins and mods at ubuntuforums that the command line is out and everything that can be possibly done using the GUI, should. Tutorials and HowTos using the commandline in the ubuntuforums is strongly discouraged, and that pisses me off. Of course, far too many of the Tutorials that utilize copy & paste commands fail to actually explain what it is that the command does, leading to problems such as the "sudo rm -rf" fiasco. If more people in the ubuntuforums took the "teach a man to fish" approach to HowTos, the command line wouldn't seem like such a scary thing to so many users, but whatevs... I guess I'm ranting now -.-.
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@The Ubuntu people's love of reinstalling: Oh lawd, maybe Debian is the right distro for me! Tell me, do Debian-ists like reinstallations? Cause I don't T__T


I can probably answer that with a flat-out "NO".

Certainly not from the Stable branch folk, but the Unstable folk might have more reason to every once in a while. On the other hand, if you're advanced enough to DARE to try the Sid branch, you're probably advanced enough to fix your system without reinstalling. ^__^;

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@ You guys' cr4zy ski11z: Wow! I can barely even handle a command line! Okay, not really, but my interest lies more in the historical aspect of it. (IOW, learning to use a computer as they've been used for the past 40 years) :P


Well you might not have a choice... as my OS-tan games progress start to get more accessible, you'll have no choice but to give into the curiosity and learn some of the code. I'm sure it will be quite inviting. ^.^

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Well, I would hardly say I've mastered the command line, but I've come to prefer it in some ways to the GUI. For one thing, if you can decipher the commands, you'll actually know what the hell you're doing. By contrast, GUIs can often be riddled with bugs and you can't be altogether sure there isn't some missed error in the code that will botch your intended command. What really bugs me is there seems to be some consensus among the admins and mods at ubuntuforums that the command line is out and everything that can be possibly done using the GUI, should. Tutorials and HowTos using the commandline in the ubuntuforums is strongly discouraged, and that pisses me off. Of course, far too many of the Tutorials that utilize copy & paste commands fail to actually explain what it is that the command does, leading to problems such as the "sudo rm -rf" fiasco. If more people in the ubuntuforums took the "teach a man to fish" approach to HowTos, the command line wouldn't seem like such a scary thing to so many users, but whatevs... I guess I'm ranting now -.-.


I reckon I might fall into the same category. ^^

But while I can navigate the command line well-enough, I'm too visually-oriented to like it. I needz ma graphix. ^.^

On the other hand, having visually-stunning command line screens is a good enough compromise. ^___^

Speaking of visually stunning ASCII art, how about some more Python sample games from my book for you to decipher? All of them received the same "OS-tan-inspired modifications" as the previous sample. ^.^

The critter.py one, btw, demonstrates the first use of Object-Oriented Programming in the book -- in all honesty, it's not at all as bad as it sounds. I actually think I might LOVE objects. ^___^
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But while I can navigate the command line well-enough, I'm too visually-oriented to like it. I needz ma graphix. ^.^


Command-line lust is more or less a type of "god complex", after keying in a really useful command, you think, "I can do that?!" Sort of addicting after you've been burned by a few glitchy GUI implements. I mean, trust me, you're not going to catch me saying "I'd rather use the command-line." if I can truly trust a GUI to do the same task, but no matter what the so-called "gurus" at ubuntuforums think, Linux will always have a command-line and there will always be things that work better from the command-line (e.g. FFmpeg).

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The critter.py one, btw, demonstrates the first use of Object-Oriented Programming in the book -- in all honesty, it's not at all as bad as it sounds. I actually think I might LOVE objects. ^___^


Ok, dl'ed it, but I'll probably do some more studying before I try it... or I might just succumb to curiousity like I usually do.
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Command-line lust is more or less a type of "god complex", after keying in a really useful command, you think, "I can do that?!" Sort of addicting after you've been burned by a few glitchy GUI implements. I mean, trust me, you're not going to catch me saying "I'd rather use the command-line." if I can truly trust a GUI to do the same task, but no matter what the so-called "gurus" at ubuntuforums think, Linux will always have a command-line and there will always be things that work better from the command-line (e.g. FFmpeg).


Ah yes, the infamous ffmpeg. :P
Well certainly a great example of CLI benefits is when a program mysteriously refuses to open. Double-click on a desktop or Menu icon, maybe you'll see some feedback from the mouse,... and then,... nothing happens. The program mysteriously peters off. ''

But open it from the CLI, and it might tell you WHY the freakin' program isn't opening. This has been especially helpful on the EeePC, where games defaulting to a 1024x768 resolution quietly refuse to open until I add the CLI option to change their resolution to something more palpable by the tiny screen.

Course as you say,... had the GUI been written properly, it would have accounted for such instances (say with a pop-up message stating that the resolution was too small, and maybe an offer to fix it automatically).

Before I left my Linux semi-development job, I was working on a pseudo-GUI for one of our LiveUSB install scripts. I felt I showed great promise in the area, cause despite the limitations I was still able to produce a pseudo-GUI that was graphically-attractive, themeable, obsessively-documented and had built-in localization support. (granted, most of this was unnecessary for the task, but it was still a great thought experiment)

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Ok, dl'ed it, but I'll probably do some more studying before I try it... or I might just succumb to curiousity like I usually do.


If you do let me know. My last CLI practice game from the book is a simplified version of BlackJack that uses several Classes (spread across two modules and the main application) to get the job done. Although not entirely intuitive to follow for me (cause I don't play cards regularly), I do have a better idea of how objects interact in a modern software application.

Right now I've finally begun the chapter on GUI design, so I'm very very very very very very giddy. ^___^

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There, there. *pat pat*


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For easy upgrades, you could always do what I do (and I am VERY non-technically inclined):

1. Download the ISO
2. Burn it
3. Try the Live-CD first
4. Back up EVERYTHING onto a CD/External HD/USB/whatever

5. Upgrade!

This way, if things go catastrophically wrong (and they have with me many times as I like to play with my VM's till they die horribly) you have a full OS backup disk ready to go, then you just copy over your full backup and you're back up and running in 30 minutes. I've never had trouble with this, and oddly, since I started backing up everything, I've not had to use it.
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yeah ima using gentoo linux myself its brillant, stable and is a pleasure over windows.
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Funny that the only Gentoo-based system I've ever used was Sabayon. It was neat, but at the time they only offered LiveDVDs, which gave me a lot of trouble on my [then] crappy hardware.

I'm still due to try out Pardus one of these days....
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