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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:49 pm

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C-Chan
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*blink blink blink* @___@

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*passes out* XvX

Wow,... this is literally a whole TSUNAMI of responses. X.X;

I'm gonna be at this for a while,... ^^;

*starts typing,...*

Added after 15 hours 25 minutes:

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Lawd oh lawd have I missed out on a lotta responses....I mean, really! It seems like things have gone by 10x faster than when I was here. Maybe the internets bends spacetime as we know it; have you guys aged a few years since I was last here? What year is it where you are? Cause it's 2008 where I am!

2008?!!! Haha!! Good luck sister,... you're gonna need it.... ^___^;

But no, seriously, I think of it as the exact reverse. You showed up, and suddenly the response rate increased several hundred fold. @v@

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GS/OS-tan: I'm sure we are all aware of my unconditional love of winged things. The redesigned GS/OS-tan is no different!

Indeed, it's amazing what a little hair lift can do. ^__^

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ISMAI-tan is a really neat mix of retro and modern design elements. As C-Chan said, she's very original and different! Excellent job!

Well I think I said it a bit more than that, but indeed -- it's hard to find an equivalent for ISMAI-chan. Am hoping to include her in the CIOST Xmas comic cameo. ^^

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GENIAC-tan is so kawaii! I just want to run up and....mmmmmm....squeeze those cheeks! ^///^

Well I got dibs on her already, so you'll have to pay me a toll. ^___^

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EXEC-sama is beautiful has a very midevel maiden look about her. I love the braid, as well as her outfit...excellent job!

Problem is that "midlevel" is also a word, but imagine you might've been thinking "medieval". ^.^;

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Apple ][-tan + GS/OS-tan are awesome, this is such a vivid, fun picture. Shocked looking GS/OS-tan is especially cute. But...is that a forced perspective shot, or a hueg apple?

Frakkin HUEG apple. ^^;

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DRDOS and QDOS are so cute together! Much sweetness here.

It's like chugging down a bottle of agave nectar. ^>^

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Awhile back I saw a discussion about the DEC faction. I imagine theirs would have been rather militaristic in a somewhat FMA-like, steampunk kinda way, and they would have implimented a mix of very, very old-school military tactics and sorcery. There would have been those who only trusted fighting with something they could actually see and hold, (like swords,) and those who were more open to geomancy. They would have been, as a group, exceptionally thrifty and hardworking--if not somewhat shortsighted. Their ultimate downfall would have been not jumping to build (or take over) smaller suburban and industrial territories (that would be PCs and workstations, mind you), instead focusing on larger tracts of territory (that would be minicomputers). I don't know what their status is now...I think a lot of them would have given up on their past ways, though...

Yes indeed, that certainly sounds like the DEC Dynasty we envisioned in previous discussions. ^___^

Aside from focusing only on larger territories, another weakness (and one very common in that era) was the "elite-ization" of their war machine. Like the ancient Romans, they would only trust themselves (or members of the higher/royal classes) with swords, guns, horses, and yes most DEFINITELY Geomancy. The fact that UNIX-sama had no qualms turning peasant rabble into legions gave her a huge advantage over the DECs early on, due to the invention of "qualitative quantity".

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I also see the early Timesharing systems (certainly the MIT ones, and perhaps all of them) as having had their own faction.

Fufu... that would get very messy very quickly, but then would also make it more akin to the politics of the ancient world, where the short-lived empire of Alexander the Great split back up into a million different countries, sub-empires (e.g., the Seleucid Empire) and tribes.

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Okay...yeah...what?

Long story, but I was hoping to help convert The Jungle: The Uncensored Original Edition into an eBook available in the Project Gutenburg website. It's a fantastic book -- certainly more moving than the original published version.

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Good thing I have no intentions of becoming stinking rich. A friend once told me, "you don't have to be a millionaire to live like one"--in other words, if you go out, visit new places and enjoy life, it's better to do this than spend all your time trying to make a ton of money.

That's actually very good advice, and one sadly most people would never heed to save their lives. I've always said that it's not money that buys happiness, but rather responsibility. You can give millions to an irresponsible person and see it disappear in a week, spent in all matter of short-term vices and frivolities that in no way ensure the enjoyment of life in the long term.

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Wait--so you'd go gambling to pick up rare coins O__o

Course! What else would I do it for? ^^
I abide by the old (and rather rude) adage that "gambling and lotteries are a tax on the ignorant", and certainly try not to play in that game. -v-

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Oooookeeey...well....I'm glad you finally found a conciousness. Those are handy; but I wonder if a lot of young people (boys, especially) aren't like this.

Now that you mention it, the overwhelming majority of boys my age (during my so-called "awakening") were still impulsive and animalistic, and would remain so for years to come. That not only ensured that my life in those schools would be a veritable hell, but also that the only friends I would have for a long time would be primarily girls and teachers.

If I had then my current disregard for whatever other people think, I'm sure I would've been very happy -- but alas, I allowed myself to believe that I was pathetic and thus failed to know happiness for a long lonh time. In retrospect, I had no choice,... morally-speaking, I was all alone and heavily outgunned by brats, adults and television programs that expected me to [mis]behave in a preset way... ;__;

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I, too, have a lot of patchy memories from my earlier years; it seems like only from the age of say, 10 or so, I can remember back quite clearly. I was mature and attentive for my age (or so I am told), but I did tend to be rather...b*tchy and impulsive about things. I usually ended up in friendships with very dominant people, or I would become very dominant with others; and conflicts I faced not with diplomacy, but with a vindictive and hotheaded attitude (oh yes--nearly coming to blows a few times). I was materialistic, as well; I burned through any money I could get my hands on. Especially when a friend happened to get something--I'd feel the need to outdo them at every step.

But some difficult events I faced seemed to have straightened out all my priorities; I could have taken it for the worse and let it run me down as a person. I could have wallowed in what was lost. But I instead decided feel more grateful for what I had in life. I grew and became better, more peacful, thoughtful, open-minded and independant. (Not that I don't retain a lot of my past feist)

Thank you for sharing that. From what I said earlier, I can say you remind me a lot of one of my old "friends" who was also sharp but smart-mouthed and impulsive, and not at all adverse to turning me into her workhorse. Still, she was a fun person and a great coach (in how to "talk" my way out of trouble). And while I never heard from her again when I left, I'm hoping she might've shared the same epiphany as you. ^^

I'm wondering if the pink-haired wish of yours is part of that feistiness? ^__________^

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Sounds like some of my school experiences--for example, I had a teacher wth whom I disagreed with on the matter of climate change. I tried to give a bit...but rather than comprimise my beliefs, I answered as I saw fit--and got marked down because of it

Le sigh,... if the teacher abided by the popularly-held assumptions behind climate change, then I have the feeling you and I might be on the same page with this one. In that case, that makes his mark-down all the more annoying to me.... -.-

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DR DOS-tan + QDOS-tan + GEM-tan pic:

*imitates Kool-Aid*

OH YEEEEEAH!!!!!!!!!! ^V^

I don't know how best to say it, so I'll say it in Romaji... GEM-chan looks puu-rii-ti and roo-buu-ri! ^___^

She has a face that can melt butter, eyes like brilliant sapphire, hair that's primp and proper, and those ear-like attachments to her hat (as well as the color of her dress) that lends her an interesting uniqueness.

However, the curved line delineating the roundness of her left shoulder could be a little smaller; and her hand on DRDOS-tan's left shoulder could use a small opening in the stroke bordering the hand and the forearm.

Prior comments about DRDOS-tan and the adorable edible QDOS-chan still stand. ^___^

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A new and finished picture, it's a full-body pic of Coleco Adam-tan!

*squeals!!* ^.^

Wow, I said it before -- what a difference a little hair makes! Adam-chan looks hAWt with that hair. Aside from that doll, she looks like an elegant and professional young woman -- a far cry from her paranoid self. ^o^

Aside from a few blemishes with her hands and the shape of her left shoe, the picture is perfect! ^.^

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She is difficult to understand (because of the Adam's difficult and contradictory manuals) but very courteous and would have been willing to help the other Vintage-tans if it weren't for her paranoia (and that some of the Vintage-tans scare her!)

By difficult to understand, would you say she does things that are weird, or just has a habit of mumbling incomprehensibly? ^__^

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Even as a wanderer, she still got by just fine working as a secretary. Oh yeah, and she is still rivals with Apple ][-tan and they compete over a lot of things but they don't hate each other.

You could say the competition is very 2.5-sama/Hacchan -like. ^.^

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:20 am

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*pant* Trying to catch up!

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Yep, and if you've ever been to a casino, you'll see that same pathological addiction in people's eyes as they slowly and surely bleed all their money away.

...And throw away their lives too

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Incidentally, I used to love going to Casinos (especially in Windsor, Ontario, Canada) because of the excellent opportunity to pick up rare coins. Though I naturally lost a little bit of money, I used to get some very rare gems, including old silver American or Canadian coins that people spent without realizing their value. ^^;

Finding rare and old coins is so cool! It's a shame I don't have the opportunity to collect them though

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Funny,... I never thought of myself as a loser per se, but I do remember not thinking at all during most of my youth. Memories are spotty, but it always seemed like I was running entirely on impulse, not really thinking about anything and just passing from one moment to the next in what now feels like a semi-sleeping state. Don't even know how I managed to survive, but guess my body did all the living. ^^;

Then all of a sudden, it's like I started gaining a consciousness. I finally felt self-aware of my actions and my behavior, and could finally recall what I talked about. I could think AND interact with the world at the same time, or so it seemed in retrospect.

To be living and conscious but not self-aware (then acquiring self-awareness), I didn't know that was even possible!

My mentality has changed a lot too over the years. I used to be very innocent and naive in my childhood but after many bad encounters with people I thought were my friends; I turned into bitter, spiteful, unforgiving and antisocial (only cheering up when reading, drawing, or in the presence of family and real friends). And these negative feelings worsened even further 2-3 years ago after having to deal with some of the lowliest, most vile, obnoxious (and likely dangerous) people in my neighborhood and school. They were devoid of any merit or good in their character and I had overwhelming hatred towards them and it just made me angrier and sad that I was completely powerless against them and that there was nothing I could do to make them go away. So I just repressed my anger.

But in the past year, I started to get my problems sorted out (and talking to people who suffered worse than I did) and managed to let go of the problems and annoyances that plagued me in the past (because there's nothing I can do to change them! The past is the past and to worry and anger about past experiences is a complete waste of time and energy!) and I have became much less bitter (heck, my friends and most of my acquaintances see me as cheerful!) and such but of course I still maintained my sharp wit and liberal use of sarcasm (although in a more positive light)!

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Oooookeeey...well....I'm glad you finally found a conciousness. Those are handy; but I wonder if a lot of young people (boys, especially) aren't like this.

I, too, have a lot of patchy memories from my earlier years; it seems like only from the age of say, 10 or so, I can remember back quite clearly. I was mature and attentive for my age (or so I am told), but I did tend to be rather...b*tchy and impulsive about things. I usually ended up in friendships with very dominant people, or I would become very dominant with others; and conflicts I faced not with diplomacy, but with a vindictive and hotheaded attitude (oh yes--nearly coming to blows a few times). I was materialistic, as well; I burned through any money I could get my hands on. Especially when a friend happened to get something--I'd feel the need to outdo them at every step.

Whoa! We were all almost COMPLETELY different from how we are now and in ways I would not have guessed in a million years!

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But some difficult events I faced seemed to have straightened out all my priorities; I could have taken it for the worse and let it run me down as a person. I could have wallowed in what was lost. But I instead decided feel more grateful for what I had in life. I grew and became better, more peacful, thoughtful, open-minded and independant. (Not that I don't retain a lot of my past feist)

Good for you! You were fortunate enough to not make the mistakes I did! (And I happened to have made those mistakes)

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In fairness, that's a problem with the economies of ALL countries today. With the exception of a few third-world countries that tightly integrate their central banks into the government, this is how it usually goes:

And I thought that the central banks were part of the government in most countries!

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What? To try to pay off that debt requires borrowing more money which just leaves Country A in a debt twice as big (plus interest)? x_x

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4) And naturally without any money to spend for anything, it has to buy another $1000 in order to continue trading with Country B. It's now already $2100 in debt, and by now the interest has jumped it up to $2300.

5) Meanwhile, Country B is still circulating its own $1000 startoff and is enjoying the fact that its currency is twice as strong as A's. It can start purchasing goods from Country A for dirt cheap!

Because of country B being able to buy stuff from Country A so cheaply, does that mean that Country A is not profitting enough to be able to pay off its debt?

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6) However, with its last payment and interest bearing load, A is now $4400 in debt and the people of Country A can no longer afford to buy anything from B. With their economy so dangerously tied to just selling things, Country B has to buy more money from Central Bank B in order to catch up with the increasingly-impoverished Country A. Even if the People of B are happy buying cheap goods and enjoying the fruits of a stable debt-free economy, that doesn't matter -- if they can't sell, they can't grow, and if they can't grow, then economy of B collapses.

I know that the economy collapses if it cannot grow, but why would Country B want to get in debt?

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7) Several decades later, Country A is $100,000 in debt and Country B is not far behind at $80,000. They've gotten so used to shuffling debt around aimlessly that they no longer bother to pay anything back. It just keeps accumulating faster and faster, and the governments have to start setting aside more and more physical land and property in order to serve as collateral for Central Banks A and B.

But didn't Country A try to pay off its debt earlier?

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And even though they never get their money back, Central Banks A and B are happy. Because in return for investment of some imaginery money, they get back real money (gold, silver), land, property, businesses, tax money.... They start making close friends with members of Governments A and B, and can ask for political favors that can help them a lot with their side businesses (because NATURALLY, central banks are smart enough to "diversify their portfolio"). ^__~

So that is why countries with incredibly huge debts can still be well-off?

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Correction: REAL street-level economics is depressing.
School economics tends to be very very boring, since it takes itself a little too seriously, and doesn't like going over particularly shady moments in history such as this.... ^^;

I'm taking economics class this trimester and I don't care for it because it doesn't include the history of economics.

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http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-gold-confiscation.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_Double_Eagle

The 1933 Double Eagle coins! Those are so cool but such a shame that almost all of them had to be melted down. Even it was for the good of the US economy

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So true. In that case, I'm glad you live in a more internet-savvy world. That means less paper gets wasted. ^.^

I agree! I hate wasting paper and hate throwing it away. (there are not a lot of places I can recycle paper)

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Of course not,... school rules were always so idealic. ^v^'

In practice, though, it was a veritable jungle -- and often times, the teachers themselves were not adverse to letting their own political ideas, religious beliefs or just plain egos get in the way of some serious critical thinking. Knowledge was secondary (perhaps even tertiary) to obedience -- may still be in some parts. '__'

Hmm... I'm very lucky to never have had any teachers like that!

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WOW! You really did it! And its cute as mole-asses!! ^0^
I have to hand it to you,... when you get an idea, you do it. You're not like me who just daudles and doesn't get anything done anymore. ^___^

Thanks! Inspiration came for that picture very quickly!

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Their heads are especially beautifully rendered, DRDOS-tan exhibiting her characteristic tranquility, while QDOS-chan looks sweet and perky. And I definitely love DRDOS-tan's two monster pigtails, although the one on her left is a bit shorter actually than her right one. Also kinda neat is the fact that DRDOS-tan, despite being only about 139cm or so, completely dwarfs the pint-sized QDOS-chan. ^^

Ha ha! Them DOS-tans sure are short! But at least even QDOS-chan dwarfs CE-tan, Palm OS-tan, Newton-tan and the Damn Small-tans

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Her waist/butt does seem a bit too wide, though, mainly because her coat is spread out in a way that gives that impression.

I'll fix that in the finalized version.

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Despite the old-timey pokadot dress (which the pattern fills really bring out), System 6-chan looks remarkably pretty and sexy like that. The edge highlighting on her hair and face lend it an uncanny realism. ^__^

Her dress is actually not that old-fashioned. It's a Flamenco gown! (which commonly have polka dots on them)

Also, A/UX-tan is wearing a Russian-style gown (well... because "Perestroika" is one of A/UX's codenames)

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I should point out, though, that her head should probably be moved a few pixels over to the right. From that angle, her neck should appear to be positioned slightly below her right eye.

Oh crud! >__<

But lucky for me, since I have the close to finalized svg and psd files of that pic, I can easily fix that.

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A/UX-sama.... *MEGADROOLS* *v*

A Beauty!!!! A Goddess!! Truly a testamount to the proud and beautiful pig race! ^.^

Her dress is beautifully drawn and mature. Her hair is highlighted and coiled just right. Her cute piggy ears are flanked by an equally-cute bandana compilment. The lighting is even more stunning here, as it shades and highlights in all the right places.

I knew you'd like that!

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I know you said you were going to shift to a new eye style,... I wonder now if this is it. ^.^

Not quite... Still the same eye style I have been using before, but with blur effects.

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Cake is delicous-looking, btw, and the background really helps enhance the brightness of the picture. ^_______^

DELICIOUS CAKE!!

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So I figured I'd need a time machine to go back and respond to all this stuff. Rather than hang around the Large Hadron Collider until they find a way to exploit its possible time-bending abilties, or go stand in front of a microave set at 2.342 oscillating, 11 hertz and get unstuck in time, I figured I'd give Leopard-sama a jingle :P

*shows off time-machine pocketwatch*

That is much easier that what I would have suggested for time-travelling: Get a DeLorean, install a flux-capacitor, add some plutonium and obtain 1.21 JIGGAWATS!! of power while driving at 88 mph!

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As for your new drawings:

GS/OS-tan: I'm sure we are all aware of my unconditional love of winged things. The redesigned GS/OS-tan is no different!

ISMAI-tan is a really neat mix of retro and modern design elements. As C-Chan said, she's very original and different! Excellent job!

GENIAC-tan is so kawaii! I just want to run up and....mmmmmm....squeeze those cheeks! ^///^

MenuetOS-tan is awesome, too. I love her outfit and gun (and red hair)!

Mugshot-tan is cool and very funky and futuristic. I love her visor!

The OS/2-tan/4K-tan pic is really funny. Seeing such a vengeful and cold personality smiling because she's in a kid's ride is hilarious XD

EXEC-sama is beautiful has a very midevel maiden look about her. I love the braid, as well as her outfit...excellent job!

Apple ][-tan + GS/OS-tan are awesome, this is such a vivid, fun picture. Shocked looking GS/OS-tan is especially cute. But...is that a forced perspective shot, or a hueg apple?

DRDOS and QDOS are so cute together! Much sweetness here.

Antares-tan and A/UX-tan pic is wonderfull! I love the shading and highlighting--I think it's some of your best work to date, IMHO!

Great job with everything!

Thank you, and glad you could catch up!

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Awhile back I saw a discussion about the DEC faction. I imagine theirs would have been rather militaristic in a somewhat FMA-like, steampunk kinda way...

Sweet! I like steampunk very much!

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...and they would have implimented a mix of very, very old-school military tactics and sorcery. There would have been those who only trusted fighting with something they could actually see and hold, (like swords,) and those who were more open to geomancy. They would have been, as a group, exceptionally thrifty and hardworking--if not somewhat shortsighted. Their ultimate downfall would have been not jumping to build (or take over) smaller suburban and industrial territories (that would be PCs and workstations, mind you), instead focusing on larger tracts of territory (that would be minicomputers). I don't know what their status is now...I think a lot of them would have given up on their past ways, though...

Clearly the DECs as a faction is no longer around. I know for sure that OpenVMS-sama and RSX-11-san are independents but what about the others?

[to be continued...]

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:26 pm

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Awww, GEM-chan is so cute in this picture. The sweetness rate just shot up a lot!

And Adam-tan is looking very pretty here as well! I like seeing her in a moment of relative clarity, looking very well made-up.

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I also added more onto her backstory as well. She is another of the luckier Vintage-tans who has suffered less hardship than most of them and is very grateful for that. She is difficult to understand (because of the Adam's difficult and contradictory manuals) but very courteous and would have been willing to help the other Vintage-tans if it weren't for her paranoia (and that some of the Vintage-tans scare her!)

In the 1980's, she had a hard-time competing against her main rivals and felt a lot of guilt for causing losses to her company (even offsetting the profits from the Cabbage Patch dolls!) and ultimately causing its demise which finally happened in 1988.

It was also that year in which her life completely changed, for better or worse. The bad part was obviously that her company went bankrupt and she has to live with that on conscience.

The good part is that also around that time, she gained a cult following (a group of Coleco Adam fans gather at the annual Adamcon, which has been around since 1988) which has motivated her to keep on going and also sent her some monetary stipends occasionally.

Even as a wanderer, she still got by just fine working as a secretary. Oh yeah, and she is still rivals with Apple ][-tan and they compete over a lot of things but they don't hate each other.

Yeah, she does sound pretty fortunate for a Vintage-tan…but I can see where all those high-levels of electromagnetism could scramble her thoughts…

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ISMAI-chan. Am hoping to include her in the CIOST Xmas comic cameo. ^^

There’s gonna be a Unix and CIOST Xmas cameo! I wants them! Nau! :V

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Problem is that "midlevel" is also a word, but imagine you might've been thinking "medieval". ^.^;

Now would you pick on a diabetic person for not being able to eat a cake?! So why are you picking on poor, dyslexic me?! :..O

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Hmmm…I wonder who the gun-wielding, horse-riding members of the group would have been…?

And I bet Unix-sama would have had no problems with peasants--after all, for a long time in her early life, Unix-sama was mostly noncommercial and preferred to hang out with academic hacker crowd. :P

Only later when she decided to start bending her original principals and start catering to the commercial crowd would all hell break loose. -_-

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That’s a good way yo look at it…but after all, the factions we thought up in the modern day--the LUC, CIOST, A$C, ect., none of them would have been around. Something would’ve had to fill the void.
…Bad time to mention the IBM mainframe-tans would have had a faction, too…?

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Oh, I see…I dunno if I could ever read a whole eBook. I get tired of looking at the screen after like, a half hour XD

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But I can see where a smart person could buy a better life if they had the money…if they chose to not spend it in huge clumps initially, and instead saved a great deal and invested some wisely.

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That’s pretty sad…but kids that age are often…well they aren’t very reasonable yet. And trying to live by other people’s expectations is probably the quickest way to bring unhappiness.

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Haha, maybe it is!

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No, she abided by the unpopular assumption that it’s way blown out of proportion and may not even be happening.

But that’s a different story…

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Finding rare and old coins is so cool! It's a shame I don't have the opportunity to collect them

I don’t collect coins, but when I find an interesting one I can’t bear to get rid of it; so a pile of odd coins has developed in one corner of my closet.

Lesse…I have a ten pence piece with Queen Elizabeth II on the front. Is it English…? I have a Canadian 25 cent piece, a 50 cent coin from Mexico, a US silver dollar from 1976, a bunch of old quarters and some state quarters I hadn’t seen before, and a game token with some Japanese writing on it ^/////^

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To be living and conscious but not self-aware (then acquiring self-awareness), I didn't know that was even possible!

Really? Just ask a coma victim! Or…or C-Chan.

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My mentality has changed a lot too over the years. I used to be very innocent and naive in my childhood but after many bad encounters with people I thought were my friends; I turned into bitter, spiteful, unforgiving and antisocial (only cheering up when reading, drawing, or in the presence of family and real friends). And these negative feelings worsened even further 2-3 years ago after having to deal with some of the lowliest, most vile, obnoxious (and likely dangerous) people in my neighborhood and school. They were devoid of any merit or good in their character and I had overwhelming hatred towards them and it just made me angrier and sad that I was completely powerless against them and that there was nothing I could do to make them go away. So I just repressed my anger.

Wow, we have a regular Ship of (Nearly) Lost Souls goin’ here @__@’

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But in the past year, I started to get my problems sorted out (and talking to people who suffered worse than I did) and managed to let go of the problems and annoyances that plagued me in the past (because there's nothing I can do to change them! The past is the past and to worry and anger about past experiences is a complete waste of time and energy!) and I have became much less bitter (heck, my friends and most of my acquaintances see me as cheerful!) and such but of course I still maintained my sharp wit and liberal use of sarcasm (although in a more positive light)!

Yeah, I hate to see people brooding over past events or past conflicts with other people. I say, when it's hard to remember why a feud started, it’s time to give it up.

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Whoa! We were all almost COMPLETELY different from how we are now and in ways I would not have guessed in a million years!

Yeah…I guess everything changes, including people.

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So that is why countries with incredibly huge debts can still be well-off?

Whoa, C-Chan, you should be teaching economics somewhere O__O

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Oooh, A/UX is a little Russian…neat

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That is much easier that what I would have suggested for time-travelling: Get a DeLorean, install a flux-capacitor, add some plutonium and obtain 1.21 JIGGAWATS!! of power while driving at 88 mph!

Ah! Of course!

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Clearly the DECs as a faction is no longer around. I know for sure that OpenVMS-sama and RSX-11-san are independents but what about the others?

I suppose most would be wanderers or vintage-tans, I guess…?

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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:37 am

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Forgive me, Aurora, as I'm going to skip commenting on all of your pieces and just make a few quick comments about some of my favorites. First off: OMG, 4k-tan and OS/2-tan in the Enterprise ride are adorable! Their expressions are wonderful, as well! The conclusion of the EXEC-sama project looks stunning. Great colors and I really like her dress. Chibi C65-tan is fun, too. I never would have considered a peg-legged OS-tan before. Now that you've done it, I see no reason why there shouldn't be one. QDOS-tan looks so remarkably happy that I can't help but be happy with her. ^^ ~~~ Now, I think I shall sleep...

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:49 am

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To be living and conscious but not self-aware (then acquiring self-awareness), I didn't know that was even possible!

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Really? Just ask a coma victim! Or…or C-Chan.

Hardy harhar, very funny. `v'

Well okay, supposing my wording is a bit on the dramatic side. However, the whole point behind that "instant awareness" thing in my youth is that I can put a tangile memory behind the notion that a child's mine is not as fully developed. It's one thing hearing about it,... it's another thing living it, feeling incomplete, limited, almost like a spectator to your own body and its impulses.

On the other hand, I know it's not a universal thing -- like my previous theories on brain stimulation I've written about, if a child's mind is stimulated early on it will mature faster and more efficiently. On the other hand, shielding a child from good stimulae, or exposing them to the wrong kind of stimulae will simply retard it, sometimes as far into college age, sometimes for the remainder of the individual's adult life.

It's always been a particular paradox to me that a lot of children these days seem so advanced compared to how we were before,... and yet at the same time, they don't really "know" very much (certainly not where it counts). But considering how dependent they are on others to guide their "impulses", I can't blame them anymore than I can blame myself for not making rationale decisions during my "unconscious" state.

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I can't say I was betrayed by long-term "friends" as I really never had them to begin with -- the closest I had was schoolmates I knew who were fairly meek in primary school but became evil little monsters in Intermediate so quickly, I thought someone had flipped a switch in them. And certainly those years were equally dark in my youth as they might've been for you -- the fact that so much vileness is allowed to fester the way it did (and still does by your account) often leads me to wonder if it's left like that as a kind of rite of passage. Or worse, designed to foster a feeling of powerlessness so early on in life, in the hopes perhaps that they would remain like that for the rest of their lives (even if subconsiously).

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Or to put it another way, the reason why you're here today talking to us is because you managed to help yourself and not remain powerless for much longer (perhaps not physically, but certainly emotionally and that's what counts). You were able to reason your way out of an addiction of self-loathing and indifference that plagues so many people who find that way of life easy and convenient. [Why wouldn't they? There's a whole industry set up to feed off their shortsightedness, lack of self-respect, and dependence on vices for personal fulfillment.]

I said it before and I'll say it again -- you're a strong one, Aurora-hime. Very deserving of that honorific. ^___^

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And I thought that the central banks were part of the government in most countries!

That's a common fallacy, and one often propped up by the central bankers themselves. The Federal Reserve Bank of the US, for example, added the "Federal" part to make it sound like a government institution -- and to a certain extent, they've managed to marry it quite well into the US government over the past 100 years. Nevertheless, it was, still is, and has always been a cartel of private banks (including foreign ones) that manages the country's money supply and fiscal policies with no [or merely symbolic] government oversight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_reserve

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What? To try to pay off that debt requires borrowing more money which just leaves Country A in a debt twice as big (plus interest)? x_x

Naturally, my example is a bit simplistic. However, that's pretty much it in a nutshell, and the reason why inflation never disappears in a fiat currency system (because it keeps getting bigger and bigger by design). Especially not in world where ALL countries abide by fiat currency.

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Because of country B being able to buy stuff from Country A so cheaply, does that mean that Country A is not profitting enough to be able to pay off its debt?

No, on the contrary, Country A under such a situation profits remarkably well from a cheaper currency, if only because Country B buys so many goods from them.

Or rather I should rephrase that: the BUSINESSES and MERCHANTS from Country A profit handsomely from the weaker currency, whereas the people of course see their standard of living torn to shreds by inflation and the resulting rising prices in basic goods.

[And perhaps I should rephrase that even FURTHER,... Country A's merchants can only profit off the weaker currency IF it still creates things to sell. If it's drowning in inflation AND is effectively resource-poor, then it's effectively screwed, with a mass exodus of investment flowing out of the country to add insult to injury.]

You can say therefore that Country B's businesses and merchants do not profit from their own strong currency -- and if their goal is to maximize their bottom line and promote some magical "infinite" economic growth, then you can be sure they'll pull all the strings they can to weaken their own currency.

Sur America presents an excellent case study of countries that traditionally did not want to get into economic debt and had plenty of socialized government safe guards to prevent against this (including nationalization of electricity, water treatment, railroads, etc). It was only after the "miracle" of privatization was introduced (either willingly or by force) that you started seeing government and corporate entities scratch, claw and fight their way into massive debt.

The idea was that the money generated by strong economic growth would be reinvested in the country and thus improve everyone's standard of living. But as history and common sense showed us, the most common outcome is that all the money would simply fly out the country, leaving it an empty, gutted, impoverished husk of its former self.

I said before that the global market is like a poker game -- and even with 132 players on the table, you can only really have one winner for each round.

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But didn't Country A try to pay off its debt earlier?

And in so doing so, created even more debt. ^^'

But you do bring out a good point -- there are ways to pay off inflationary debt, although it's not looked at to kindly (ask the Paris Club what they think of Russia). ^^;

You can use money garnered from Country B EXCLUSIVELY to pay off Country A's debt -- because it was Country B that "paid" for the money and is responsible for the interest on it. Countries like Russia, Venezuela and Argentina are completely or almost debt-free thanks to the fact that a currency not of their own (the US Dollar) is circulating every where and can be used to pay off their debtors.

Course, that would mean Country B gets stuck with the debt, but also with the theoretical "stronger economy", which is too coveted a prize for the merchants of Country A to give up. For the solution to Country A's problems to be permanent, it not only has to follow this up with strong monetary reforms but it also has to start removing its over-dependence on foreign trade. It has to sacrifice living beyond its means and start becoming self-sufficient -- manufacturing its own products, growing its own food, training its citizens to become producers and volunteers rather than just consumers.

In other words, it would be DANGEROUS, if only because it would step on too many toes that don't like to be stepped on. `v'

The outcome of the legendary Executive Order 11110 is testament to that very sad truth.

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So that is why countries with incredibly huge debts can still be well-off?

Basically because everyone is working for free in such a system -- or from a macroeconomic standpoint, we're working for favors.

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I'm taking economics class this trimester and I don't care for it because it doesn't include the history of economics.

Sorry. Well... try to make the most of it. ^___^

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The 1933 Double Eagle coins! Those are so cool but such a shame that almost all of them had to be melted down. Even it was for the good of the US economy

Well its debatable whether that did any good to anyone but the central bankers, as the economy didn't improve even after the gold confiscations (only during WWII). So it's safe to say that was a shameful thing through and through.

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Whoa, C-Chan, you should be teaching economics somewhere O__O

Find a school willing to teach Austrian School of Economic theory, and I'll consider it. Any other place would just toss me out in the sop with the rest of the pigs. `v'

Besides...

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No, she abided by the unpopular assumption that it’s way blown out of proportion and may not even be happening.

But that’s a different story…

Yeah, something like that would happen. ^.^;
With respect to that, I do still think the teacher was likely full of it for grading you down, if only because it sounds like his/her assumptions were based on absolutes. Climate change (and perhaps the dawning of a new ice age) is happening and we can see its rather dramatic effects in action. I have much problem with the idea that humans are exclusively to blame for it -- on the one hand, because climate change (or global warming as it was once called) gets too much press, and likewise is pushed by parties with an economic vested interst in this. It's no surprise that devastating corn-based biofuels are the only "eco-friendly" alternative stomached by the oil industry, as it secures the status quo under a new and more commercially-viable facade.

And precisely because of the above, it seems to me as a kind of straw man problem. Of all the damage we as humans do to our environment and ourselves (e.g, ground water poisoning/depletion, air pollution and acid rain, overhunting/fishing, deforestation, desertification, oil/chemical spills, farmland soil damage and run-off, resource stripping, landfill and raw sewage toxicity, depleted uranium dispersal and other massive war devastation, etc, etc, etc), why focus on a particular factor that we have to search around to prove, when in fact the other issues are in our face virtually everywhere and every day (and threaten our long-term survival as a species just as much).

On the other hand, I'd rather people train themselves to be responsible stewards than end up as mindless warmongers -- in that case, even if the climate change is part of the natural life cycle of the planet, this sets more of a precedent to not exacerbate the problem even more, else we end up with a 10 degree global climate shift rather than just an 8 degree one. After all, when your house is on fire, the last thing any sane person would do is have a barbeque. `v'

I wonder if that sounds like a pretty good compromise? If so, maybe I should become a teacher,... not.... -v-

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Alright, Genkier topics,... GO!

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Ha ha! Them DOS-tans sure are short! But at least even QDOS-chan dwarfs CE-tan, Palm OS-tan, Newton-tan and the Damn Small-tans

NOW you're talking MA language! ^-^

*lecherous laugh*

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Hmmm…I wonder who the gun-wielding, horse-riding members of the group would have been…?

Eh, I was just speaking in abstract. ^___^

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And I bet Unix-sama would have had no problems with peasants--after all, for a long time in her early life, Unix-sama was mostly noncommercial and preferred to hang out with academic hacker crowd. :P

Only later when she decided to start bending her original principals and start catering to the commercial crowd would all hell break loose. -_-

Precisely. She unconsiously became the thing she hated most. ^___^'

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Several, for sure. ^^
Can't really think of what their pre-Guild names would be, though,... quite frankly, my head's still stuck in the here and now of the OS-tan world. -v-'

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*squeals with delight*

Now you'r talking. ^.^

There's a strong possibilty the coin is English -- but keep in mind that many commonwealth nations also use "pence" (as well as that queen's effigy). Do you have a date on the Mexican coin? What about the Canadian one?

The US dollar is likely an Eisenhower one -- only "silver" in name, as those dollars were already cupro-nickel by the time they were issued. 1964 heralded the last year of true silver coinage. If any of your quarters are from before 1964, try to spin them on the table and see if you can hear a distinctive "ping" to them. That's the beautiful sound of 90% silver coinage... REAL money as it should be. ^_____^

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Also, A/UX-tan is wearing a Russian-style gown (well... because "Perestroika" is one of A/UX's codenames)

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Oooh, A/UX is a little Russian…neat

Even better. A/UX-sama is my new Ekaterina Gamova. ^-^

*sighs lovingly*

@Siya!

YAY!! Welcome back here too! ^-^

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:39 am

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*pant* I'm getting closer!

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I also see the early Timesharing systems (certainly the MIT ones, and perhaps all of them) as having had their own faction.

I think so too

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I don't intend to be stinking rich either- I just want to make enough money to still live comfortably.

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So true! There have been people who are/were filthy stinking rich but were still miserable and committed suicide

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The whole climate change thing is so confusing, with many still panicking about global warming (including me. I've seen "An Inconvenient Truth" and "Six Degrees Could Change the World"!) yet now there are claims on global cooling! Well, which is it?!

But whether it is global warming or cooling, either way it certainly would not hurt to transition out of using fossil fuels!

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I has gotta do a fanart of A/UX-san, though :3

Yeah! I want to see that! *kneels, hands clasped, puppy dog expression on face*

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*blink blink blink* @___@

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*passes out* XvX

Wow,... this is literally a whole TSUNAMI of responses. X.X;

I'm gonna be at this for a while,... ^^;

*starts typing,...*

Same here! *sigh* I have became so slow

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Well I think I said it a bit more than that, but indeed -- it's hard to find an equivalent for ISMAI-chan. Am hoping to include her in the CIOST Xmas comic cameo. ^^

I'm hoping!

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Frakkin HUEG apple. ^^;

XBOX HUEG!

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Course! What else would I do it for? ^^
I abide by the old (and rather rude) adage that "gambling and lotteries are a tax on the ignorant", and certainly try not to play in that game. -v-

Good for you! Able to enjoy going to casinos without succumbing to addiction and its consequences!

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Aw man... a lot of my male classmates are like that, and the female classmates are not much more civilized T_T

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If I had then my current disregard for whatever other people think, I'm sure I would've been very happy -- but alas, I allowed myself to believe that I was pathetic and thus failed to know happiness for a long lonh time. In retrospect, I had no choice,... morally-speaking, I was all alone and heavily outgunned by brats, adults and television programs that expected me to [mis]behave in a preset way... ;__;

I made those same mistakes for a long while too! But one day of of the blue, I stopped giving a darn about others and most of the things they think.

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Thanks! (darn... can't think of original ways to respond! AAAAAUGH!)

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However, the curved line delineating the roundness of her left shoulder could be a little smaller; and her hand on DRDOS-tan's left shoulder could use a small opening in the stroke bordering the hand and the forearm.

Okay. At least those are only minor screw-ups easily fixable!

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And she doesn't have a bad hair day in that pic too! That's a rather rare moment!

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By difficult to understand, would you say she does things that are weird, or just has a habit of mumbling incomprehensibly? ^__^

A little bit of the former, but she does have the habit of mumbling stuff a lot!

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On the other hand, I know it's not a universal thing -- like my previous theories on brain stimulation I've written about, if a child's mind is stimulated early on it will mature faster and more efficiently. On the other hand, shielding a child from good stimulae, or exposing them to the wrong kind of stimulae will simply retard it, sometimes as far into college age, sometimes for the remainder of the individual's adult life.

And there are the overprotective parents who try at all costs to protect their little snowflakes from bad stimulae, but at the same time they miss out on good stimulae and their overprotective efforts are more harm than good.

It is good to protect kids from bad stimulae, but it is not good to take it too far!

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It's always been a particular paradox to me that a lot of children these days seem so advanced compared to how we were before,... and yet at the same time, they don't really "know" very much (certainly not where it counts). But considering how dependent they are on others to guide their "impulses", I can't blame them anymore than I can blame myself for not making rationale decisions during my "unconscious" state.

I wonder if that's a side effect from all that overprotective parenting these days -_-

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And I thought I had a tough time in grade school! I really did, but looks like you've had to endure harder than I had to. I did have some real friends in the later part of grade school and we formed somewhat of a posse but when going on to junior high, I lost almost all contact with my friends because I was unlucky with my schedules and rarely if ever had any of my friends in my classes. And even when an old friend is in one of my classes, I usually don't talk to them or anyone because I am focused on my work and getting it done

I've noticed that junior high often changes people for the worse. No wonder why the majority of people I know did not like it!

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And certainly those years were equally dark in my youth as they might've been for you -- the fact that so much vileness is allowed to fester the way it did (and still does by your account) often leads me to wonder if it's left like that as a kind of rite of passage.

I think so too. Very VERY few people I know over the age of 14 still have an innocent mentality.

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Or worse, designed to foster a feeling of powerlessness so early on in life, in the hopes perhaps that they would remain like that for the rest of their lives (even if subconsiously).

That was part of why I decided to attempt to change. I don't want to end up like the other people who suffered the same powerlessness I did, and I hope I succeed.

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Ahhhh yes... I took the hard way, off the beaten path and it feels great!

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[Why wouldn't they? There's a whole industry set up to feed off their shortsightedness, lack of self-respect, and dependence on vices for personal fulfillment.]

And that industry's products temporarily satisfy the shortsighted and self-loathing, only getting them to crave more of their products, leaving those people resistant to change and solving their personal issues

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I said it before and I'll say it again -- you're a strong one, Aurora-hime. Very deserving of that honorific. ^___^

Thank you so much! That really does make me feel stronger!

I'll continue with catching up on the remaining responses later.

But here's some Xenix-san!:

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:26 pm

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